Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball:
There is not one QB in this draft even in Mahomes league. Not one
I'm having trouble finding Mahomes' name on DJ's list, do you see it anywhere?
Top 10 QB prospects of past 3 NFL draft classes
Spoiler!
I always believe it's helpful during the evaluation process to rank the current group of prospects among the players at the position from the previous two drafts. I recently looked up the grades I gave to the quarterbacks in the '16 and '17 draft classes and I slotted them in with this year's crop of talent. Here's the order I have them in based on their draft grade.
1) Sam Darnold, USC
Draft class: 2018
The skinny: I had very similar draft grades on each of the top four players on this list. However, I gave Darnold a slightly higher grade than Carson Wentz because of his durability and level of competition from college.
2) Carson Wentz, North Dakota State
Draft class: 2016; second overall pick, Philadelphia Eagles
The skinny: Wentz had an ideal skill set coming out of NDSU. His ability to drive the ball accurately and create with his legs made him a special prospect.
3) Josh Rosen, UCLA
Draft class: 2018
The skinny: Rosen is the best pure passer in this time frame (2016-2018). His motion, footwork and arm talent are off the charts.
4) Jared Goff, Cal
Draft class: 2016; first overall pick, Los Angeles Rams
The skinny: Goff was very smooth and accurate at Cal. He was an effortless thrower and you've seen that carry over to the NFL.
5) Baker Mayfield, Oklahoma
Draft class: 2018
The skinny: Mayfield is the shortest member of this group (measured in at 6-foot 5/8 and 215 pounds at the NFL Scouting Combine), but I gave him a strong grade based on his touch, playmaking ability and toughness.
6) Josh Allen, Wyoming
Draft class: 2018
The skinny: Allen was an inconsistent performer at Wyoming, but his good moments are incredibly impressive. He is very capable of outplaying my draft grade.
7) Deshaun Watson, Clemson
Draft class: 2017; 12th overall pick, Houston Texans
The skinny: I had Watson as my highest-rated quarterback in last year's class, but based on early returns, I was way too low with my grade. I had concerns with his accuracy and decision making, but he cleaned up both areas last fall. He was off to a remarkable start as a rookie before suffering an ACL tear in November.
8) Mitchell Trubisky, North Carolina
Draft class: 2017; second overall pick, Chicago Bears
The skinny: I loved Trubisky's talent, but he had a very small sample size of production. He was a full-time starter for only one year at UNC, but his upside was tremendous.
9) DeShone Kizer, Notre Dame
Draft class: 2017; 52nd overall pick (Round 2), Cleveland Browns
The skinny: I had a big grade on Kizer heading into his final year at Notre Dame, but he struggled mightily to maintain that level of play. I ended up dropping his grade prior to the 2017 draft and he landed in a really tough spot in Cleveland. He was rushed into action before he was ready to play, and the results weren't pretty. Now, he's getting a fresh start after being traded to the Green Bay Packers earlier this month.
10) Paxton Lynch, Memphis
Draft class: 2016; 26th overall pick, Denver Broncos
The skinny: Lynch was a polarizing player coming out of Memphis. His size, arm talent and athleticism were enticing, but I had concerns about the adjustment he would have to make from his college offense to an NFL system.
Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe:
I'm having trouble finding Mahomes' name on DJ's list, do you see it anywhere?
Top 10 QB prospects of past 3 NFL draft classes
Spoiler!
I always believe it's helpful during the evaluation process to rank the current group of prospects among the players at the position from the previous two drafts. I recently looked up the grades I gave to the quarterbacks in the '16 and '17 draft classes and I slotted them in with this year's crop of talent. Here's the order I have them in based on their draft grade.
1) Sam Darnold, USC
Draft class: 2018
The skinny: I had very similar draft grades on each of the top four players on this list. However, I gave Darnold a slightly higher grade than Carson Wentz because of his durability and level of competition from college.
2) Carson Wentz, North Dakota State
Draft class: 2016; second overall pick, Philadelphia Eagles
The skinny: Wentz had an ideal skill set coming out of NDSU. His ability to drive the ball accurately and create with his legs made him a special prospect.
3) Josh Rosen, UCLA
Draft class: 2018
The skinny: Rosen is the best pure passer in this time frame (2016-2018). His motion, footwork and arm talent are off the charts.
4) Jared Goff, Cal
Draft class: 2016; first overall pick, Los Angeles Rams
The skinny: Goff was very smooth and accurate at Cal. He was an effortless thrower and you've seen that carry over to the NFL.
5) Baker Mayfield, Oklahoma
Draft class: 2018
The skinny: Mayfield is the shortest member of this group (measured in at 6-foot 5/8 and 215 pounds at the NFL Scouting Combine), but I gave him a strong grade based on his touch, playmaking ability and toughness.
6) Josh Allen, Wyoming
Draft class: 2018
The skinny: Allen was an inconsistent performer at Wyoming, but his good moments are incredibly impressive. He is very capable of outplaying my draft grade.
7) Deshaun Watson, Clemson
Draft class: 2017; 12th overall pick, Houston Texans
The skinny: I had Watson as my highest-rated quarterback in last year's class, but based on early returns, I was way too low with my grade. I had concerns with his accuracy and decision making, but he cleaned up both areas last fall. He was off to a remarkable start as a rookie before suffering an ACL tear in November.
8) Mitchell Trubisky, North Carolina
Draft class: 2017; second overall pick, Chicago Bears
The skinny: I loved Trubisky's talent, but he had a very small sample size of production. He was a full-time starter for only one year at UNC, but his upside was tremendous.
9) DeShone Kizer, Notre Dame
Draft class: 2017; 52nd overall pick (Round 2), Cleveland Browns
The skinny: I had a big grade on Kizer heading into his final year at Notre Dame, but he struggled mightily to maintain that level of play. I ended up dropping his grade prior to the 2017 draft and he landed in a really tough spot in Cleveland. He was rushed into action before he was ready to play, and the results weren't pretty. Now, he's getting a fresh start after being traded to the Green Bay Packers earlier this month.
10) Paxton Lynch, Memphis
Draft class: 2016; 26th overall pick, Denver Broncos
The skinny: Lynch was a polarizing player coming out of Memphis. His size, arm talent and athleticism were enticing, but I had concerns about the adjustment he would have to make from his college offense to an NFL system.
Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball:
Mania would have the same reaction to ANY draft pick, knowmo too but in different ways.
We'll see vs. GREATEST PICK OF ALL TIME
Well, to be fair... in regards to draft picks, how can you truly be anything other than "we'll see"? There are a handful of sure things in every draft and any of them in R1 can be a bust. [Reply]
Poll of agents has Bruce Allen as least-trusted executive
Posted by Michael David Smith on April 19, 2018, 9:10 AM EDT
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Washington’s Bruce Allen is the NFL executive that player agents trust the least in contract negotiations.
That’s the word from a poll of 25 agents conducted by USA Today, which found that Allen ranks dead last in how much trust he engenders from the folks on the other side of the table in contract talks.
Also ranking low on the trustworthiness scale were Dolphins executive V.P. of football operations Mike Tannenbaum, Broncos G.M. John Elway and Bengals owner Mike Brown.
On the other side of the coin, the executives that agents said they respect the most are Ravens GM Ozzie Newsome, Patriots coach Bill Belichick, Seahawks GM John Schneider, Colts GM Chris Ballard, Steelers GM Kevin Colbert and Rams GM Les Snead. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe:
Meh, if you're picking a QB outside of the top 5 you're just hoping to get lucky.
Lol unlucky?
You drafted a fucking moron that would rather play video games than football. He’s 2 years in and still hasn’t started 16 games. That’s not unlucky. That’s flat out awful scouting/drafting. [Reply]
You drafted a ****ing moron that would rather play video games than football. He’s 2 years in and still hasn’t started 16 games. That’s not unlucky. That’s flat out awful scouting/drafting.
Elway thought Kubiak could do something with him. Unfortunately his health deteriorated and he had to quit midway through Paxton's rookie year.
Again, Paxton was the best choice in a sea of bad options. It was either trade a 3rd for Kaep, trade a first for Sam Bradford, pay Brock Osweiler $18M per year, or draft Paxton at 24. Everybody here would've done the same thing.
Elway would've loved to trade up for Carson Wentz instead of Lynch, but there was no way he could've traded up from 31 to 2. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe:
Elway thought Kubiak could do something with him. Unfortunately his health deteriorated and he had quit midway through Paxton's rookie year.
Again, Paxton was the best choice in a sea of bad options. It was either trade a 3rd for Kaep, trade a first for Sam Bradford, pay Brock Osweiler $18M per year, or draft Paxton at 24. Everybody here would've done the same thing.
Elway would've loved to trade up for Carson Wentz instead of Lynch, but there was no way he could've traded up from 31 to 2.
Is it true Elway drinks Vodka during the draft ? [Reply]
