Chiefs won’t trade for 2 WR’s. Their offense isn’t designed like the past. Mahomes is throwing less than 30 passes a game most of the time, Juju will be back at some point, and Gray will have a heavier focus. Hardman is the insurance, which honestly is a higher ceiling than Robinson anyway. He’ll get more run like he did SF.
I’m very confident that Hollywood will be back for the playoffs. I expect him to start practicing in mid December. [Reply]
Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19:
Isn't Mahomes the difference though, compared to those Ravens teams? And the proof is obviously in the pudding. Last year's offense was worse but the playoffs came and he just found a way in every critical moment.
If the bottom falls out of the defense, which would only happen due to injuries, then yeah, they are fucked. And I would argue that's the case even if they added Tyreek Hill into this offense.
But if the defense maintains top five level play, and you have your OL healthy along with obviously Mahomes, Kelce, Worthy... I'm just fine seeing them score around 27 or so a game while leaning primarily on the horses in the backfield.
Defense hasn't given up 28 since LVII, and I'm not sure the streak ends this year.
The difference is what CAN be done when you get to a threshold level of surrounding ability, IMO.
And by the end of the year, with Rice developing in the offense and Kelce turning it back up in the post-season (and MVS re-learning how to play football, if only briefly) while Hardman provided deep speed, we were at that threshold level.
But if you're not at it, the QB isn't gonna be able to move the needle much. And right now, we're not at it, IMO.
This really does get back to some of the conversations we had a couple years back. Give Mahomes mediocre and he can work with that. But you can't expect him to go out there and multiply by zero.
Right now this WR corps is as bad as the WR corps was AFTER Tyreek Hill. Worthy isn't any better than 2021 Mecole at the moment. Pringle and Robinson were more capable than Watson and Moore.
And what did we say after that season? Even after we traded Hill? "This team doesn't NEED a number one, but it can't go out there again with 5 number 5s either. PM can win you a championship with nothing but WR2 and WR3 caliber players...."
He has NONE of those as the moment. And we lived that already. We know how hard that was for him and why Tyreek got 160 targets that year. And why when that Bengals game got weird and maybe Tyreek checked out after that strangeness at the end of the 2nd quarter, things went to hell. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Cooper got traded from Cleveland to Buffalo.
If Cleveland was willing to send him to Buffalo, they'd be willing to send him here.
Now I'm not saying it's nightmarish to not have gotten him, but if a 2025 3rd and 2026 7th got him from Cleveland, I'd have given a 2025 3rd and 2026 6th just go put us over the top and get the deal done.
Get to yes. Get someone in here. Cooper would've helped quite a bit and yeah, he was just as available to us as he would've been to Buffalo.
Id have done that too. SUCKS, that he ended up going to Buffalo. He's just going to make Coleman better. Now, KC might have to over pay for less talent... But Vrach deserves the benefit of the doubt. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RunKC:
Chiefs won’t trade for 2 WR’s. Their offense isn’t designed like the past. Mahomes is throwing less than 30 passes a game most of the time, Juju will be back at some point, and Gray will have a heavier focus. Hardman is the insurance, which honestly is a higher ceiling than Robinson anyway. He’ll get more run like he did SF.
I’m very confident that Hollywood will be back for the playoffs. I expect him to start practicing in mid December.
Lets say you trade for 2 and Hollywood comes back.
Hollywood
Slayton
Worthy
Hardman
Osborn
JuJu
Watson
Why can't that be done? JuJu isn't going anywhere even if you cut him and sign him back to the PS. Nobody's going to pay him more than he will make on his Patriots contract so there's no reason to leave for a payday (it offsets on his Patriots deal). And he doesn't have to clear waivers so he'll just get back on the PS and get elevated as needed/able.
I swear I will never understand why anyone wants to ink JuJu onto this roster. Yes, he'll come back. Then he'll get hurt again. Then he'll be 'questionable' every day for the rest of his life.
You can't bank on JuJu. And honestly, you can't really bank on Hollywood.
Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch:
I really wasn't too keen on sending a 3rd for Cooper, but that was because I'd assumed they'd do SOMETHING to get rid of Skyy Moore and raise the floor of the WR after he effectively got benched against the Chargers.
But no. Ross and Remigio still on the practice squad. MVS signing with the Saints. Toney presumably getting the call up now that Cooper is gone.
Moore in 2024 is one of the worst players rostered in football. He's ****ing worthless, and it's pretty inexplicable to me that wasn't addressed over the bye, even if it was just bringing back someone ever so slightly less worthless while they still worked the phones to bring in a difference maker.
Yeah, I mean I’m not too hung up on losing out on cooper. It just stings a little because the ask from trade comp or salary isn’t bad. It would be nice to close one of these. I wonder if we’re slow playing some of these deals or playing a little too safe. Catch them by surprise by leading with a reasonably aggressive offer in this case. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
The difference is what CAN be done when you get to a threshold level of surrounding ability, IMO.
And by the end of the year, with Rice developing in the offense and Kelce turning it back up in the post-season (and MVS re-learning how to play football, if only briefly) while Hardman provided deep speed, we were at that threshold level.
But if you're not at it, the QB isn't gonna be able to move the needle much. And right now, we're not at it, IMO.
This really does get back to some of the conversations we had a couple years back. Give Mahomes mediocre and he can work with that. But you can't expect him to go out there and multiply by zero.
Right now this WR corps is as bad as the WR corps was AFTER Tyreek Hill. Worthy isn't any better than 2021 Mecole at the moment. Pringle and Robinson were more capable than Watson and Moore.
And what did we say after that season? Even after we traded Hill? "This team doesn't NEED a number one, but it can't go out there again with 5 number 5s either. PM can win you a championship with nothing but WR2 and WR3 caliber players...."
He has NONE of those as the moment. And we lived that already. We know how hard that was for him and why Tyreek got 160 targets that year. And why when that Bengals game got weird and maybe Tyreek checked out after that strangeness at the end of the 2nd quarter, things went to hell.
Maybe a bit of a cop out but it comes down to...how quickly can you develop said chemistry with a WR if you bring a guy in?
I'd think they could figure it, but things seem to be shaping up...to me atleast...that you're gonna have to just hope to get a 4/5 game stretch of healthy JJSS. [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
Maybe a bit of a cop out but it comes down to...how quickly can you develop said chemistry with a WR if you bring a guy in?
I'd think they could figure it, but things seem to be shaping up...to me atleast...that you're gonna have to just hope to get a 4/5 game stretch of healthy JJSS.
They've already gotten to work on simplifying the passing game fairly substantially.
Why couldn't you maintain many of those same concepts that could be easily picked up on while simply improve the talent level of the pass catchers? [Reply]
I wonder what the deal is with Quez Watkins. He is on Pittsburgh practice squad, but he seemed like at least a good potential player when he was in Philly.
I'd hope Hollywood can have a quick ramp up to full go given it's an upper body injury. Hell he oughta be able to sprint right now if not very soon I would have to think. [Reply]