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DaFace 11:23 AM 06-27-2016
A place to talk about investing stuff.
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Hammock Parties 01:26 PM 10-27-2018
I'm not even that worried about US markets.

Still holding that fucking IQ stock and waiting for china to unfuck itself.

That company is doing SO WELL and in three days they release Q3 earnings. GIMME BACK MY MONEY!


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lewdog 01:27 PM 10-27-2018
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties:
I'm not even that worried about US markets.

Still holding that fucking IQ stock and waiting for china to unfuck itself.
Tariffs bud. Likely to get worse.
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Buehler445 09:48 PM 10-27-2018
Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower:
How do you guys engage in futures / forwards deals?
Lots of different options out there.

As far as I go, I typically try hedge up front (sell contracts on the board) up to my MPCI (Multi Peril Crop Insurance) guarantees. I'll push that if it's fairly close to harvest and I'm confident I have a better crop out there. The elevators will convert them to forward contracts if the basis is favorable prior to harvest. Typically, I chicken out and sign basis contracts if that is the case. A lot of times if you don't grow it (hail or whatever), it's easier to get out of a basis contract than a forward one where you have to eat shit on the whole thing.

Other options are Hedge to Arrive a the elevator. That is essentially the elevator selling the contract for you. You set the basis at a later date in which it is a forward contract.

You can also buy puts. That will keep you from making margin calls but I'm too cheap to buy the time value, which always eats your ass. Every time I've the market went against the physical and bought puts, they've yielded around half of what it would have been if I'd sold contracts. If market goes up, sure there wouldn't have margin calls, but the premium is unrecoverable. Every time I buy puts instead of selling contracts, I'm pissed off about it.

I try to keep most things on the board because I'm chickenshit. However this year, I'd have gotten my shit wrecked on wheat. I zeroed out A LOT of acres with hail and would have had to pay a lot if I hadn't kept it on the board.

I've also on occasion sold the physical grain and bought it back on the board to stop storage and essentially retain ownership. That's technically not a hedge, but there is feasibly little chance you'd get caught by the IRS. (speculative losses are limited to 3,000. Hedging losses are not limited)

Like I said, there are a heck of a lot of ways to do it, but that's largely what I do.
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Buehler445 09:53 PM 10-27-2018
Originally Posted by lewdog:
Tariffs bud. Likely to get worse.
I thought it was a Netflix-type company? Tariffs wouldn't affect that.

I would think it would be just getting washed out in the fuck for all that the tariffs are causing if it had a basis in fundementals.

Unless I'm missing something.
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Buehler445 10:44 PM 10-27-2018
Originally Posted by lewdog:
Tariffs bud. Likely to get worse.
I laughed hard at your rep.
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lewdog 10:16 AM 10-28-2018
Don't put this on me Buehler. I absolutely told Clay this was a risky move.

Posts from June moving forward.

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties:
Want to turn 19 grand into 25 grand in 9 months.

Any good stocks?
Originally Posted by Munson:
Hop on the IQ train.


https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/IQ?.tsrc=applewf
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties:
Tempting...
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties:
OK. I'm going to buy 420+ shares of IQ. I'm going to do a limit order, though.

What do you think I should set as the share price? I'm guessing it dips a little before it goes back up.
Originally Posted by lewdog:
This isn’t risky at all.

:-)
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties:
9 months



yeah i'm not known for being risky
Originally Posted by lewdog:
Right now, in this market, all you're going to get is risk if you're trying to obtain such a gain in such a short time.

It is your money though. I've seen dumber moves.
Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin:
31% is easily obtainable with IQ

Unless it goes down.
Originally Posted by lewdog:
:-)
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties:
the deal is done
Originally Posted by lewdog:
No it's not. It's after hours. You can cancel that order...........



or you can let it ride!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties:
Got it at 4150 this morning !
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties:
Looks like it’s holding just south of 40.

I’m sure it’s going to go back up so not a terrible buy.
Originally Posted by lewdog:
Right, because a stock has never tanked and remained low or never bounces back....ever.....
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties:
Jesus Christ. Well, I managed to lose $1500 today. Thanks Hog!
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties:
IQ took another ****ing dump today.

JFC
Originally Posted by lewdog:
Yea none of us here said that was a super risky move.

:-)

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Buehler445 11:50 AM 10-28-2018
LOL. Fair enough. Looks like it was Munson and HF.

Unless it goes down. :-).

That was an enjoyable read.
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Rain Man 02:49 PM 10-30-2018
My faith in General Electric is not being rewarded. You'd think that a company run by Thomas Edison would be able to innovate better.
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Hammock Parties 03:02 PM 10-30-2018
Originally Posted by lewdog:
Don't put this on me Buehler. I absolutely told Clay this was a risky move.

Posts from June moving forward.
So guys...how can I turn 11 grand into 25 grand in six months
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Rain Man 03:07 PM 10-30-2018
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties:
So guys...how can I turn 11 grand into 25 grand in six months
I expect General Electric to make a rebound any day now.
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blake5676 03:52 PM 10-30-2018
Saw IQ down 13% to $19.28 in after hours trading as a result of 3Q reporting. Yikes! There was a few times reading this thread I felt I was getting sucked in on the allure of the "Chinese Netflix" and the early gains after its IPO date. And here we're what...7 months later and it's fallen almost all the way back down to where it started?

I'm usually not an impulse buyer. Almost all of my retirement is strictly in vanguard target date funds. But I remember last year reading this thread about US Steel after it dropped by 50% and almost pulling the trigger. And then kicking myself over the next 6 months when it went back up to the mid-40's after being around 20 at that time. I guess the moral of the story is there's a yin for every yang and more often than not it's better to just look for the solid long play than the easy quick buck.
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Hammock Parties 03:58 PM 10-30-2018
Originally Posted by blake5676:
Saw IQ down 13% to $19.28 in after hours trading as a result of 3Q reporting. Yikes!
thanks asshole, i was trying to avoid looking at my account
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lewdog 05:24 PM 10-30-2018
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties:
So guys...how can I turn 11 grand into 25 grand in six months
:-)
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Hog's Gone Fishin 05:35 PM 10-30-2018
Originally Posted by Rain Man:
I expect General Electric to make a rebound any day now.
I just bought some on the dip.
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ChiliConCarnage 05:54 PM 10-30-2018
Originally Posted by blake5676:
Saw IQ down 13% to $19.28 in after hours trading as a result of 3Q reporting. Yikes! There was a few times reading this thread I felt I was getting sucked in on the allure of the "Chinese Netflix" and the early gains after its IPO date. And here we're what...7 months later and it's fallen almost all the way back down to where it started?
The Chinese market as a whole has dropped quite a lot. IQ had 89% paid subscriber growth. That's good they just lost more than was projected. It's not even all that cheap at 5.5x revenue for a Chinese company that's losing money. That number will come down some tomorrow. It is interesting as it seems their content is popular

Netflix had a crazy first mover advantage in that all of their should be competitors didn't move at all. They didn't want to lose their lucrative cable model. IQ has a ton of competition and a nation not used to paying crazy cable prices.
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