Originally Posted by kccrow:
This is where I'm at. If a LT falls you like then you have to take that shot first. The positional value is far higher at LT than at WR.
My ideal first two rounds are Jordan Morgan at LT and Roman Wilson at WR but I'm basing that purely on the hope that each is there.
I think Morgan has a better shot to be there at 32 than Wilson does at 64 though.
Morgan's arms length is a major problem imo. [Reply]
Originally Posted by kccrow:
This is where I'm at. If a LT falls you like then you have to take that shot first. The positional value is far higher at LT than at WR.
My ideal first two rounds are Jordan Morgan at LT and Roman Wilson at WR but I'm basing that purely on the hope that each is there.
I think Morgan has a better shot to be there at 32 than Wilson does at 64 though.
I'd be happy with that. You think Wilson may be gone? I really have no idea, I suppose it's just going to depend on how specific teams rate these WRs for their systems, I guess. [Reply]
Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger:
There's always guys who are undervalued and slip through the net. Kiran and Paul would normally go way higher in another draft class imo but they are gonna slip down and hopefully Veach takes advantage of it.
History has shown time and time again that you need to use a 1st rd pick on a LT. Feel free to look at the draft history for LT’s taken outside the 1st. Bakhtiari is a lone outlier and Orlando Brown Jr sucks. [Reply]
Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger:
Morgan's arms length is a major problem imo.
Plenty of guys have done fine with that length.
Same length as Bernhard Raimann and he's developed into a top-10 LT in the league and is just getting better. Rashawn Slater is 33" and he's pretty good. Donald Penn was 33" and so was Jason Peters.
If you have short arms you have to have athleticism and technique and Morgan has those things.
I don't love that he's under 34" but I look at him versus some other prospects being talked about in our range and he's just a significantly better player. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Chris Meck:
I'd be happy with that. You think Wilson may be gone? I really have no idea, I suppose it's just going to depend on how specific teams rate these WRs for their systems, I guess.
Yeah, I think he is gone by 50. I'm not so sure I'd be opposed to KC spending their 3rd or the Titans 3rd next year to move up for him. Either one should get us around that range. [Reply]
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31. San Francisco 49ers
Jordan Morgan, G/OT, Arizona
The 49ers were active in free agency, but they didn't do much regarding the offensive line, which struggled throughout the postseason. To me, that signals that the front office sees the draft class as a good opportunity to build there. Morgan played left tackle at Arizona, but he is seen by scouts as a potential guard at the next level. He has 37 games of experience and is a great mover in space. Morgan is a plug-and-play fit in the 49ers' scheme.
Originally Posted by Jerm:
From Matt Miller's mock...
Some do automatically peg him as an OG because of his arm length. They do the same thing with any prospects that fall short of 34" arms and especially so under 33.5.
They did the same thing with Slater. One of his weaknesses literally read "some teams will see him as an inside-only player."
Sometimes it's warranted if the athleticism and technique are questionable, but that's when you actually have to watch a guy play football and determine if he's better than the analytics. [Reply]
Originally Posted by kccrow:
Some do automatically peg him as an OG because of his arm length. They do the same thing with any prospects that fall short of 34" arms and especially so under 33.5.
They did the same thing with Slater. One of his weaknesses literally read "some teams will see him as an inside-only player."
Sometimes it's warranted if the athleticism and technique are questionable, but that's when you actually have to watch a guy play football and determine if he's better than the analytics.
Yeah I know a lot of these arguments boil down to "which expert do you believe"...it's what makes draft season fun though lol... [Reply]
Originally Posted by RunKC:
History has shown time and time again that you need to use a 1st rd pick on a LT. Feel free to look at the draft history for LT’s taken outside the 1st. Bakhtiari is a lone outlier and Orlando Brown Jr sucks.
I looked at Brandon Thorn's top 15 LTs going into the 2023 season and it's pretty astonishing how many of these players were 1st rounders and top 15 picks.
9/15 or 60% were top 15 picks
10/15 or 67% were 1st rounders
12/15 or 80% were drafted in the 3rd round or earlier [Reply]
I won't release it for several weeks yet but my thoughts in-process for my What I Want mock actually has a bit of what I talked about in response to Meck and is looking like this:
1-032 - LT Jordan Morgan, Arizona (6'5" 312)
2-048 - WR Roman Wilson, Michigan (5'11" 185) Trade w/JAX for 2-64 and 2025 3rd f/TEN
3-095 - CB Andru Phillips, Kentucky (5'11" 190)
4-131 - DT Jaden Crumedy, Mississippi State (6'4" 301)
5-159 - TE Jared Wiley, TCU (6'6" 249)
5-173 - WR Ainias Smith, Texas A&M (5'9" 190)
7-221 - RB Rasheen Ali, Marshall (5'11" 206)
I don't know, necessarily, that I'll change my thoughts much unless KC opts to sign Donovan Smith pre-draft.
I've come to love the prospects of Wilson and Smith as guys that really impress me after the catch and how you can deploy them. I think both fit Reid's offense spectacularly. [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
Pass rushers and LT's. The league has pretty much figured out what and who those guys are gonna be and draft them accordingly.
Weird considering interior defensive linemen and Guards got paid this offseason more than anyone but sure... [Reply]