Chiefs are trading six-time Pro-Bowl WR Tyreek Hill to the Miami Dolphins for five draft picks: a 2022 1st-round pick (No. 29), a 2nd-round pick (No. 50) and a 4th-round pick, as well as 4th- and 6th-round picks in the 2023 draft, sources tell ESPN.
But the Chargers have managed to squeak out some razor thin victories. Super lucky against Cleveland, Denver, & Atlanta. Really wish they lost the Cleveland & Atlanta games. [Reply]
I thought he hurt his chances at the Hof when he left. Proving me wrong so far. For the life of me, I don't know why they don't run the defenses they do against the chiefs on the dolphins. I would just double coverage him and waddle all game. Make them beat you running it or throwing to someone else.
For some reason teams aren't giving them their best like we see each week. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Valiant:
I thought he hurt his chances at the Hof when he left. Proving me wrong so far. For the life of me, I don't know why they don't run the defenses they do against the chiefs on the dolphins. I would just double coverage him and waddle all game. Make them beat you running it or throwing to someone else.
For some reason teams aren't giving them their best like we see each week.
I mean, he's still one of the best in the league. THAT wasn't going to change. Hill was going to be good regardless of where he went, as long as he stayed healthy. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Valiant:
I thought he hurt his chances at the Hof when he left. Proving me wrong so far. For the life of me, I don't know why they don't run the defenses they do against the chiefs on the dolphins. I would just double coverage him and waddle all game. Make them beat you running it or throwing to someone else.
For some reason teams aren't giving them their best like we see each week.
Teams apparently forget all about the cover 2 shell concept in the offseason. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Valiant:
I thought he hurt his chances at the Hof when he left. Proving me wrong so far. For the life of me, I don't know why they don't run the defenses they do against the chiefs on the dolphins. I would just double coverage him and waddle all game. Make them beat you running it or throwing to someone else.
For some reason teams aren't giving them their best like we see each week.
Because it's damn near impossible to double two guys with that kind of speed who both play outside. You can't really shade either.
Ultimately Waddle and Hill are better complements for defeating a 2-high shell concept than Hill and Kelce are.
They can just challenge too much of the field. Kelce may be murderously difficult to cover within 15-20 yards, but he's not a real threat 30+ downfield.
Both Waddle and Hill are. You just can't commit that hard to them because they put too much of the field at risk. [Reply]
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
Teams apparently forget all about the cover 2 shell concept in the offseason.
Nah - they're still doing it and doing it well. I mean there's a reason scoring is down.
But the idea that you could just go into a cover 2 shell and wipe out a HoF talent was silly all year last year. It's silly now. You just have to bring more of the field into the fight.
I mean if you figure a field is roughly 50 yards wide and Hill/Waddle present credible threats 60 yards deep, you've got 3,000 square yards of field you've gotta cover (about 6 tenths of an acre). Double all you want, shell all you want - you just can't do it - it's too damn much ground to cover. And if you commit 4 guys trying to, you're going to leave yourself exposed in a bad way underneath and Gisecki is no slouch.
The Chiefs just didn't offer that level of threat to that much of the field last year. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Nah - they're still doing it and doing it well. I mean there's a reason scoring is down.
But the idea that you could just go into a cover 2 shell and wipe out a HoF talent was silly all year last year. It's silly now. You just have to bring more of the field into the fight.
I mean if you figure a field is roughly 50 yards wide and Hill/Waddle present credible threats 60 yards deep, you've got 3,000 square yards of field you've gotta cover (about 6 tenths of an acre). Double all you want, shell all you want - you just can't do it - it's too damn much ground to cover. And if you commit 4 guys trying to, you're going to leave yourself exposed in a bad way underneath and Gisecki is no slouch.
The Chiefs just didn't offer that level of threat to that much of the field last year.
So the key to this is actually WADDLE, not Hill? I mean, obviously Hill is a huge piece but the thing we didn't have that the Fins do is Waddle. [Reply]
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
So the key to this is actually WADDLE, not Hill? I mean, obviously Hill is a huge piece but the thing we didn't have that the Fins do is Waddle.
Both, yes.
One is making these things possible for the other. Neither guy would be having nearly this level of success without the other guy, IMO.
(Which was why I wanted to add more speed, not more size, to attack the Cover 2 last offseason).
Admittedly, it's just my working theory and one I've had for a bit now. So I'm biased here. But that's definitely the world as I see it and were I trying to put Hill to his highest and best use, I'd be hard pressed to find a complementary offensive weapon I'd prefer than Waddle. He's such a dangerous downfield threat. [Reply]