Nah, dude. GL was clearly into incest.
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I will gladly harp on Return of the Jedi.


The best star wars movie in the OT was ESB.

And Lucas had some one else direct it.
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i can see it now

A JJ ABRAMS FILM
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So I just got back from the Original Trilogy and hoo boy, what a big piece of shit. I can't express how disappointed I am in these films that are full of plot holes.

First of all, there is just a ridiculous amount of cringy humor all over these movies, and they undercut serious moments. I mean, Han Solo saying "boring conversation anyways" when he shoots the intercom? They're in mortal danger, they have the entire base after them! And huge moments like the first time they finally rescue the princess they've been trying to rescue the whole movie and the first words out of her mouth is "aren't you a little short for a stormtrooper?" Not to mention in every single scene where they're supposed to be in danger, C-3PO is piping up with jokes as the stupid "comic relief."

Then Luke is supposed to be finding this great Jedi master, right, and it turns out it's a fucking puppet in a swamp who sounds like a goddamn Muppet and who just makes jokes all the time! He seems more interested in his food then teaching him the ways of the Force! These are supposed to be serious scenes in a serious film and instead they just want to joke, joke, joke. Ugh, just cringe everywhere.

Secondly, do they plan on explaining anything? I mean, OK, we've got the Rebels and the Empire. The Rebels are good because they say they're good and the Empire is bad because they say they're bad. That's great. How about explaining how the Empire came to be? Why the Rebels started fighting? None of this is ever explained over literally three movies. And the main villain, the guy who is obviously a big fucking deal, they never even tell you where he came from? He's just Emperor Palpatine and he's the Emperor because he's the Emperor. Uh, how about explaining how he became Emperor and how he became so powerful in the dark side of the Force? I mean, hello? He's the main bad guy! Seriously, they kill him and never explain who he is or where he came from. I guess now we'll never know.

I mean seriously, it feels like these could use three more films explaining all the shit that they didn't explain in these. I'd watch those, there's no way they could be bad.

Third, these films have no respect for canon. OK, so at the beginning of Empire Strikes Back, Luke is hanging upside down in a wampa cave. And he just reaches out and conveniently the lightsaber just flies into his hand? WTF? It hadn't been established that the Force can do this! Even Obi-Wan didn't do that, and Luke, who hasn't had a lick of actual training, is able to do it first try? Give me a fucking break with this bullshit.

Oh, speaking of Obi-Wan, they build him up in the entire first movie to be this badass, hell he even trained Luke's father supposedly. You know that he's one of the greatest Jedi (whatever a Jedi is, they don't even really explain that, LOL), and you're all ready for him to fuck some shit up. And he - get this - he turns his fucking lightsaber off rather than just fuck this dude up. He lets himself die. They seriously make Obi-Wan into a bitch, dude. I wanted to see him be a badass.

They just throw in twists for the sake of twists. It's like, Vader is Luke's dad, even though Obi-Wan explicitly said Vader killed his dad. Also Leia is Luke's sister? So like, Darth Vader was arresting his own daugher in ANH? They don't even have the same last name! I thought when Yoda said there was another it was gonna be Han Solo, they just shit all over the fan theories.

Then, get this, they destroy the Death Star, you know, the big goddamn base, at the end of the first one, and in the second one the Empire is just conveniently back with no explanation whatsoever? Again, how the hell did they get so powerful? You destroyed their main base and they just show up again like nothing happened!

And that doesn't even get into the ridiculous plot holes throughout the movies. The Empire apparently actually leaked the plans to the second Death Star to the Rebels on purpose so that the Rebels would show up and be slaughtered. But the Rebels end up destroying the Death Star anyways. So why would you give them the actual plans? Why not give them fake plans so even if they survived the trap somehow, they couldn't blow up the Death Star. Also, if the key to the Death Star is the shields, why would you leave like just a couple guys at the base down on Endor? That's the key to the whole thing!

Jabba, just push them off the skiff into the sarlaac! Better yet, just tie them up and shoot them and then there's no chance for them to escape! Tarkin, stop delaying and just fire the Death Star! It took Alderaan out in like two seconds, why does it take a damn year to power up now? It's just awful, everyone acts illogically the whole time.

Christ. You know, I just want to go to the movies to have fun. It's never happened once in my life, but I am sure someone out there will be able to do it. But it's not these movies, that's for damn sure. Avoid these big steaming turds at all costs.

Sincerely,

Modern Star Wars Fan
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This goes back to Force Awakens, but I really hate how Rey doesn't even know what the force fucking is until 1/3 of the way through her 2nd movie and she's already a decently powerful knight.

I don't fucking care how force sensitive she is. It's just bullshit. Luke didn't have the training that Anakin did, but he at least got more than "This is what the Force is" and some stick whacking with a pile of rocks. Fuck... with just holding a lightsaber for the first goddamn time she can take out Kylo fucking Ren?

Just... no. Fuck that.

They better fucking bring Mark Hamill back as a force ghost and get her trained. Or something. Fucking anything.
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Is Finn a Jedi too? He seems to have decent light saber skills too
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She has years of combat experience with her staff, remember.

It's not a stretch to say with a little natural force ability added that translates into being a badass melee fighter.

She's mostly useless in the force otherwise, so I don't have an issue with it.
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:-)

Obi Wan vs Darth Maul was the greatest and its not even close.
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I think there’s some confusion going on.

Being Force sensitive and being a Jedi are completely different.

A person can be in touch with The Force and have Force powers without being affiliated the Jedi or Sith.

The Jedi ways of identifying children at a young age and training them to not have personal attachments, to be celibate, etc. was part of the Jedi religion.

Luke taught Rey to tap into the Force, just as Obi Wan taught Luke to tap into the Force.

Becoming a Jedi Master was about the Jedi religion, not being able to master the Force.
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This is constantly forgotten about.

She was shown to be an ass-kicker on Jakku well before she ever used a lightsaber. Add in Kylo crushin' on her and telling her he could teach her the ways of his force or some such, it really isn't that far of a stretch to see Kylo getting his face sawed up like he did.
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I'm slowly working my way through this thread and your opinion is officially worthless at this point. You clearly don't pay attention at these movies at all if thats what you saw.
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I have to say, though...I was just thinking about Luke in the OT and all the tribulations he faced:

Parents burned alive
Mentor stabbed
Childhood buddy shot up
Raped by Wampa
Left to freeze to death
Failed at using the force
Hand cut off
Emotional trauma from learning space Hitler is your father
Another mentor dies
You have to kill your dad
You get electrocuted trying to do it

Does anyone feel like Rey hasn't been through jack shit in two movies? :-)

Waaa my rations..waaa Han Solo who I knew for five minutes....waaaa my parents....waaaaaa Luke who I knew for five minutes and I don't even really care.


Girl needs some REAL suffering. She ain't been through SHIT.
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This was probably my only real complaint in the movie. Not that she was flying through space but that they killed my WOW moment by not killing her off. That was a total shock and then they kept her alive.

Its not a huge complaint its just that it killed my moment. lol
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In TFA when they return after Hans has died Wookiee walks right by Leila without an acknowledgement and then she embraces Rey. Most everyone thought okay Rey's her daughter. Why else would she ignore Hans best friend to hug this stranger?

JJ comes out and says it was a mistake in the editing/direction and Rey's parents are not Hans and Leila. Was that just BS?
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