Originally Posted by Couch-Potato:
To Crow's point, I actually like RD 2 better for WR. Feels like we'd be taking a bit of a risk with the guys at the bottom of RD 1.
To DJ's point, some of the same guys would be considered steals 10-20 pick later so maybe we just need to take one at the end of RD 1 and be happy with it.
I like Franklin, Coleman, Legette, & Burton most.
Will be interesting to see how the league feels abut the WR board.
You picked somebody already picked in the mock. Pick again please! [Reply]
Originally Posted by Couch-Potato:
To Crow's point, I actually like RD 2 better for WR. Feels like we'd be taking a bit of a risk with the guys at the bottom of RD 1.
To DJ's point, some of the same guys would be considered steals 10-20 pick later so maybe we just need to take one at the end of RD 1 and be happy with it.
I like Franklin, Coleman, Legette, & Burton most.
Will be interesting to see how the league feels abut the WR board.
Originally Posted by Nightfyre:
I don't think giving my perspective on what I have watched is lazy. Terrion Arnold is a consensus top CB in the draft and Mitchell torched him all game. Of course I am going to focus on those reps. And just because he doesn't "look" fast on tape, doesn't mean he's not - its fucking relative. We was CLEARLY running away from Terrion Arnold, who runs a 4.5. So in those terms - he plays faster than he looks, and a lot of that is related to acceleration IN GAME and the fact that he gets defenders out of position.
I was a little curious so I even went and looked at PFFs new Game Athleticism Score - and wouldn't you know who Number 2 is on that list?
You have also pitched a fit because of how personal it gets around here; maybe look in the mirror, pal. Just because we disagree doesn't make me lazy and ridiculous. Further, I ain't the only guy who has AD Mitchell as a top 5 WR. Go look around.
I'm not making it personal, I"m telling you it's a lazy fucking take that has been regurgitated ad nauseum. I can make it fucking personal for you though if you want.
How many catches did he torch Arnold for in that game? Let's start with your astute analysis of that, then we'll get personal because I have no real fucks to give in life. [Reply]
Originally Posted by kccrow:
I'm not making it personal, I"m telling you it's a lazy fucking take that has been regurgitated ad nauseum. I can make it fucking personal for you though if you want.
How many catches did he torch Arnold for in that game? Let's start with your astute analysis of that, then we'll get personal because I have no real fucks to give in life.
Bro have you even watched? Maybe the reason it's regurgitated is because it is both consequential and true. Are you just running around assuming that everyone borrowed the take and can't independently review a game and agree on a conclusion [Reply]
How did we come up with the "3-cone drill? ...it's kind of unique, doesn't exactly mimic any true football play, I get that we're testing agility, twitch, and quickness etc but how did they decide this was they way to do it? [Reply]
Originally Posted by Nightfyre:
Bro have you even watched? Maybe the reason it's regurgitated is because it is both consequential and true. Are you just running around assuming that everyone borrowed the take and can't independently review a game and agree on a conclusion
Have you? I don't think you have. He beat McKinstry ONCE and he beat Arnold TWICE. One of the plays against Arnold was a penalty where he did beat Arnold handedly. His big-play, deep TD was against TREY AMOS which accounted for 50% of his yardage. He also fumbled in that game.
Tell me again what I do and don't watch. Please. [Reply]
Originally Posted by kccrow:
Have you? I don't think you have. He beat McKinstry ONCE and he beat Arnold TWICE. One of the plays against Arnold was a penalty where he did beat Arnold handedly. His big-play, deep TD was against TREY AMOS which accounted for 50% of his yardage. He also fumbled in that game.
Tell me again what I do and don't watch. Please.
He beat Arnold for two holds - beat him badly enough that Arnold is hanging on for dear life. His speed plays. Maybe not 4.34 - but fast enough to win in man coverage in the NFL. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Nightfyre:
He beat Arnold for two holds - beat him badly enough that Arnold is hanging on for dear life. His speed plays. Maybe not 4.34 - but fast enough to win in man coverage in the NFL.
Ah yes, the one where Arnold tripped and fell so he grabbed him on his way down. I forgot about that one. Can't really chalk that one up to Adonai torching him. It's a play I think Arnold has to make there.
You're still not going to push an agenda that he "torched" two "first round" CBs all night because that's simply inaccurate. He never torched McKinstry and he might not be a 1st rounder to begin with. [Reply]
Originally Posted by kccrow:
Ah yes, the one where Arnold tripped and fell so he grabbed him on his way down. I forgot about that one. Can't really chalk that one up to Adonai torching him. It's a play I think Arnold has to make there.
You're still not going to push an agenda that he "torched" two "first round" CBs all night because that's simply inaccurate. He never torched McKinstry and he might not be a 1st rounder to begin with.
Pushing an agenda? Like what we say on this message board has weight in the decisions being made on draft day? I told you what I liked about AD Mitchell. Disagree? Fine. Want to talk about it to further understanding and get alternative perspectives? Great.
But to come out and say people have lazy and uninformed takes is you building a strawman to beat up when you could be contributing to the conversation in some productive way. I come here to watch some game videos and discuss with people to get excited about various prospects in the draft. Heaven forbid we have prospects we are excited about and want other people to check out so we can broaden our perspectives or maybe even learn something. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Nightfyre:
Pushing an agenda? Like what we say on this message board has weight in the decisions being made on draft day? I told you what I liked about AD Mitchell. Disagree? Fine. Want to talk about it to further understanding and get alternative perspectives? Great.
But to come out and say people have lazy and uninformed takes is you building a strawman to beat up when you could be contributing to the conversation in some productive way. I come here to watch some game videos and discuss with people to get excited about various prospects in the draft. Heaven forbid we have prospects we are excited about and want other people to check out so we can broaden our perspectives or maybe even learn something.
I've wasted my breath (or fingers) on talking about this kid in two threads about the same thing. My perspective on him is already out there.
It's not going to change. I've said I'd be fine enough with him at 32 if that's the way the Chiefs go but there are plenty of issues there that team has to coach. Those issues, in my opinion, are already out there.
The problem I have is everyone points to 3 plays in one game as what defines him as a player instead of looking at the whole. The whole is nowhere near as impressive and shows a lot of holes in his game. Meanwhile, other much more productive, and skilled players fall under a microscope.
There is an easy attraction to a WR with size, speed, and good hands, I get it, but we shouldn't ignore the flaws and I don't see much acknowledgment of those flaws by anyone strongly in his camp. Hell, I'd settle for someone pointing out something great from a game that isn't the Alabama game because I have yet to read it. I'm strongly in the Troy Franklin camp but I acknowledge that he is not overly quick at release, he has some drop issues at times, and he has a scary slender build.
After all that, I do personally apologize for being a dick. I've had a really bad fucking day from a personal perspective. It's something I've been dealing with in life for several years now that a select few people are aware of. So, it's not you, really. I do enjoy discussing the viewpoints. [Reply]