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Nzoner's Game Room>*****The Xavier Worthy Thread*****
Dante84 09:24 PM 04-25-2024
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ThaVirus 10:04 AM 11-18-2024
Originally Posted by RunKC:
So tired of the excuses dude. I’m watching Lamar, Burrow and other QB’s make throws like this dealing with the same shit.

Why are we making excuses here? Be honest. We all love Mahomes but he has not played well this year. He’s been a problem.

I promise it’s okay to say that
I have no problem admitting when Pat is bad but I also understand his thought process looking at these plays in real time.

Check the interior pass rush as soon as this ball is snapped. It looks like the DT is about to get a free rush from basically the moment the ball is snapped. You can tell Pat sees him, he tucks the ball and gets ready to take off, Jawaan’s uncalled hold and Kelce finally coming over helps to slow him down, Pat noticed and re-anchors, he notices Worthy just as Wanya’s man is now coming in an open lane, grips it and rips it.

You just can’t expect a QB to notice the pass rush and also see the whole field simultaneously.
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ThaVirus 10:07 AM 11-18-2024
Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch:
Mahomes snaps the ball at :06. Wanyas responsibility on the play is bearing down on Mahomes by :09. That's pushing it on a normal play. It's an absolute non starter when you need time to throw it that far down the field.
I think Wanya sucks but I’ll defend him here. He wasn’t the issue. It was Jawaan’s man flashing in front of Pat at the snap that fucked this play.

If that defender had a body on him from the snap, Pat sees Worthy before he even makes his break and this play could have gone for a TD.
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O.city 10:08 AM 11-18-2024
Yeah....the OL just got wrecked again.

We're paying alot of money up there to get shitbird results.
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Sassy Squatch 10:11 AM 11-18-2024
Why does it have to be mutually exclusive? It wasn't just Worthy failing at footwork and field awareness, or Mahomes throwing a ball too far to the outside, or Taylor letting his man flash, or Morris getting beat too quickly. It's all of the above.
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JohnnyHammersticks 10:15 AM 11-18-2024
Originally Posted by louie aguiar:
Looking at that replay, that miss is mostly on Mahomes- no need to lead him that far to the sideline
Yep. Should've let that one fly a second or two before he threw it. Worthy was wide open as soon as he broke outside. Just a bad throw. Patrick has got to get that cleaned up before the playoffs.

That being said, Worthy definitely had a chance to get both feet down. Lack of spatial awareness.
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TheGuardian 10:15 AM 11-18-2024
Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch:
Why does it have to be mutually exclusive? It wasn't just Worthy failing at footwork and field awareness, or Mahomes throwing a ball too far to the outside, or Taylor letting his man flash, or Morris getting beat too quickly. It's all of the above.
Dude you're insane. No it's not.

It's just Pat at this point.
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Shoes 10:18 AM 11-18-2024
Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch:
Mahomes snaps the ball at :06. Wanyas responsibility on the play is bearing down on Mahomes by :09. That's pushing it on a normal play. It's an absolute non starter when you need time to throw it that far down the field.
Are we looking at the same play?

Play action pass- you have Trey Smith and Kelce pulling right to left with the running back motion.

Wanya Morris leaves the end (#57) and blocks down on the DT (#91) and has a double team with Thuney, at no point whatsoever does #91 impact this play. Tre Smith pulls and is responsible for #57 and does a so-so job with his block. Hard to tell if Kelce is supposed to pull all the way with Smith and double team that end- I think he stops halfway because of the interior pressure.

To me the protection doesn't look great since the defense doesn't really take the cheese on the run fake- the blocking angles (Jawaan Taylor's block for example) makes more sense if the d-line takes a step or two towards the running back.
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RunKC 10:20 AM 11-18-2024
FTR I think they’ll figure this out. They will.

Every year around November they have slumps and they put it together at the end.

They’ll get this worked out by January
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Wisconsin_Chief 10:21 AM 11-18-2024
Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch:
Why does it have to be mutually exclusive? It wasn't just Worthy failing at footwork and field awareness, or Mahomes throwing a ball too far to the outside, or Taylor letting his man flash, or Morris getting beat too quickly. It's all of the above.
Here's the thing; 2018 or 2019 Mahomes makes that throw without question, even with all the variables you mentioned. That's what people are worried about. Pat is simply not doing the things we're used to seeing him do. He's missed an absolutely insane number of deep, wide open targets this year, either via simply not seeing them or making garbage throws. He's making insanely stupid decisions we are not used to as well.

If the LT position is this important to him, then stop dicking around and just trade a bunch of first rounders to move into the top 10 this year and get him a goddamn tackle. Whatever the hell you have to do, go do it to fix this issue. You're not getting one in free agency, and clearly they are not hitting on their draft picks at this spot. Something has to give, you can't keep tossing scabs out there at the second most important position on offense. Eventually, our luck is going to run out and he's going to get destroyed and have his season ended. Just going to have to bite the bullet and make something big happen this offseason.
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Sassy Squatch 10:23 AM 11-18-2024
Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief:
Here's the thing; 2018 or 2019 Mahomes makes that throw without question, even with all the variables you mentioned. That's what people are worried about. Pat is simply not doing the things we're used to seeing him do. He's missed an absolutely insane number of deep, wide open targets this year, either via simply not seeing them or making garbage throws. He's making insanely stupid decisions we are not used to as well.

If the LT position is this important to him, then stop dicking around and just trade a bunch of first rounders to move into the top 10 this year and get him a goddamn tackle. Whatever the hell you have to do, go do it to fix this issue. You're not getting one in free agency, and clearly they are not hitting on their draft picks at this spot. Something has to give, you can't keep tossing scabs out there at the second most important position on offense. Eventually, our luck is going to run out and he's going to get destroyed and have his season ended. Just going to have to bite the bullet and make something big happen this offseason.
Yes. That's what the fuck I've been saying for years at this point. Quit fucking around with half measures and get him a fucking LT he trusts.
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jd1020 10:25 AM 11-18-2024
Mahomes is not the sole issue on this offense, but he is the MVP and in the past he would overcome the flaws. Now he is becoming one of the flaws. A 15-11 TD:INT ratio is unacceptable. He's only had a single 300 yard passing game this season. He hasn't had a 7+ YPA since that 300 yard game... 6 weeks ago. He's simply playing like a mediocre game manager right now.
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Dunerdr 10:26 AM 11-18-2024
Mahomes was bad, Worthy didn't make the play and could have.

Let's talk about how good Worthy looked on all the other plays. Shit this is what I've been waiting for. He looked dynamic and comfortable within the offense. He had his head around when he should have, and his hands looked good. Im excited to see where this goes now. Up to this point he looked like a faster MVS. He actually looks better doing things that aren't the deep ball that he's supposed to at worst be a one trick pony doing.
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RunKC 10:29 AM 11-18-2024
Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch:
Yes. That's what the **** I've been saying for years at this point. Quit ****ing around with half measures and get him a ****ing LT he trusts.
How do you expect Veach to do that?

There’s not been a LT worth a shit in FA since Trent Williams, who Veach pursued with extreme aggressiveness.

No good LT prospects fall past pick 15. You want Veach to do a Hershel Walker type trade to move up that high? Bc that’s what it’s gonna take. 2 1st, 2 2nds and probably more.
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Chiefspants 10:29 AM 11-18-2024
Originally Posted by jd1020:
Mahomes is not the sole issue on this offense, but he is the MVP and in the past he would overcome the flaws. Now he is becoming one of the flaws. A 15-11 TD:INT ratio is unacceptable. He's only had a single 300 yard passing game this season. He hasn't had a 7+ YPA since that 300 yard game... 6 weeks ago. He's simply playing like a mediocre game manager right now.
Agreed with all of this.

Amazing how easy it is to agree with analysis like this when it doesn’t contain the usual suspects saying that he’s “broken” “sucks shit” or has “regressed in two straight seasons” (guess we’re just ignoring the whole Super Bowl MVP that happened in the middle of that).
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O.city 10:33 AM 11-18-2024
I agree but also......they lost their #1 WR, their "big FA WR" and have had to add and such around it.

Gonna need to have it really going in December and January.
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