Originally Posted by DRM08:
It seems like the Rams managed to get D-Rob to quit the backwards juking stuff for the most part. I think hanging around Tyreek Hill was a bad influence on D-Rob. Tyreek has the quickness & burst to get away with juking backwards 3-5 yards and still gain a ton of yardage.
I would be glad to see D-Rob come back. He had legit chemistry with Mahomes. If that type of connection is still there between those 2 guys, it would be nice to bring him back considering the WR injury situation in KC.
DRob is an exceptional scramble drill guy which fits nicely. I don’t know if that turns us into a little too much of an improv offense since juju plays it well too. Id still love a guy who can win quickly in structure. But it’s still super intriguing since it’s a cheap and easy fix that would be a clear upgrade. With this offense I imagine mahomes will be using his legs a lot more especially in the playoffs so this helps [Reply]
Originally Posted by Chris Meck:
guys...everyone would love to have a juggernaut offense again. If we had Rice and Brown, nobody's worried in the least right now. To act like Veach did nothing and is wasting Mahomes' prime while we're seeking the three-peat is bullshit.
Now, I'm sure that Veach is in contact with several teams, and is looking to shore up the WR corps. I have zero doubt.
But you also have to realize-
EVERY team has flaws. ALL of them. KC is the only undefeated team, and has played a very tough schedule.
NOBODY wants to help KC. The league is sick of our dominance.
KC doesn't really have a first round pick. Everyone knows that will be a #30 or worse pick. It's an early second round value. Everyone knows that.
KC is in the driver's seat for the bye. We start getting guys back in a month or so. We really just need to survive November.
There are still big plays being left on the field. If Mahomes hits Worthy on that deep ball yesterday, would you not be much more optimistic? Ok, so, it's THERE, we're just not executing. That's different than 'these guys suck, trade everything for Tyreek and his massive salary and fuck the cap for the next couple of seasons'.
Three-peat would be awesome, but ten rings with Brady having to cover it in the booth would be sweeter. And I'm not writing off the three-peat, either.
No, we're not desperate. We need to be better, and I'm sure Veach will do what he can to improve the squad-while not fucking the future.
Who cares about the future? 2024-25 is the only important season. [Reply]
The team needs a WR badly, they can't go into the playoffs without significant help. I'm in favor of a trade for the unprecedented 3-peat AND the fact this looks like a weak draft. I HATE trading draft picks, but this is the one exception. If Watson is out for an extended period, we suddenly have precious little margin for error...it only takes one really bad weak link to make you vulnerable in the NFL (see Ja'marr Chase 2022). Diontae or bust. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Mescalito345:
Who cares about the future? 2024-25 is the only important season.
One aggressive or (more likely semi aggressive) move isn’t going to send us into a death spiral. And the learning curve isn’t going to be worse than a guy like skyy who knows the offense and still cannot run it at all. Toney is actually a perfect example of what happens when you have the luxury to play a guy sparingly because you’re good enough to win without him but better when you can win with him (at least, for the first season with him that was the case).
We’ve been careful with our teams picks and salary cap. We can afford to take more risk than many people think. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Chris Meck:
guys...everyone would love to have a juggernaut offense again. If we had Rice and Brown, nobody's worried in the least right now. To act like Veach did nothing and is wasting Mahomes' prime while we're seeking the three-peat is bullshit.
Now, I'm sure that Veach is in contact with several teams, and is looking to shore up the WR corps. I have zero doubt.
But you also have to realize-
EVERY team has flaws. ALL of them. KC is the only undefeated team, and has played a very tough schedule.
NOBODY wants to help KC. The league is sick of our dominance.
KC doesn't really have a first round pick. Everyone knows that will be a #30 or worse pick. It's an early second round value. Everyone knows that.
KC is in the driver's seat for the bye. We start getting guys back in a month or so. We really just need to survive November.
There are still big plays being left on the field. If Mahomes hits Worthy on that deep ball yesterday, would you not be much more optimistic? Ok, so, it's THERE, we're just not executing. That's different than 'these guys suck, trade everything for Tyreek and his massive salary and fuck the cap for the next couple of seasons'.
Three-peat would be awesome, but ten rings with Brady having to cover it in the booth would be sweeter. And I'm not writing off the three-peat, either.
No, we're not desperate. We need to be better, and I'm sure Veach will do what he can to improve the squad-while not fucking the future.
This is a really accurate take.
The Chiefs have a NEED at WR, but not a desperate one. If there is a move there that makes sense, that they like, they will make it. If the only option is one that is a significant over pay, they will look for other options.
Hitting that deep shot to Worthy is something that makes a big difference yesterday. For one thing, it flips a frustrating INT (that again was not Mahomes' fault) to a TD instead. It pushes Mahomes comfortably over 200 yards. And it probably breaks the 49ers' backs. KC needs to keep taking those shots - I think it will - and it needs to hit some of them.
Diontae Johnson is fit 1A. For sure. But DeAndre Hopkins and Jerry Jeudy and Darius Slayton are on teams that are going nowhere and could be options as well. DeMarcus Robinson, even.
They'll work it. I think they can and will find SOMETHING.
Diontae Johnson is still the fit that makes everything go for this offense, if they can get him from Carolina and at a price that works (I would not go higher than the 3rd KC got for Sneed), that's something that puts the offense close to what I think they thought it could be (with him filling the role intended for Hollywood Brown initially, Smith-Schuster and Gray plugging the big slot role Rice was filling (less explosively, but capably) and the team hoping to get Brown on the field in December.
KC can make Johnson fit under the cap, and I think it can do it without doing something desperate with Jawaan Taylor. Shoot, we're talking about clearing about $4M for the rest of the season's cap. You can get that from bonusing out some of Mahomes' base salary.
You also could make an attempt to get Johnson under contract moving forward. With Rice's injury and suspension uncertainty, and Kelce's age, giving Johnson a nice 3-year deal that is really a 2-year extension to this year would create a lot of insurance for those situations.
And for the people freaking out that Veach didn't do enough, you're living in a Madden reality. The Chiefs are down WR1 and WR2, and the vet they signed to give them insurance for WR1's role missed yesterday with an injury. They're also down RB1. And they're 6-0 despite it.
You can't plan in the preseason to cover all of that. No way, no how. Yes, it hurts like a bitch that Skyy Moore is so, so bad and it would be nice to have that insurance. But if he wasn't a bust, they probably aren't signing Brown in the first place.
Reinforcements are coming back (Pacheco, Omenihu, maybe Brown in December). KC is also in a part of its schedule where it has 4 games out of 6 that it SHOULD be able to win by leaning on the defense, running game, selective Mahomes brilliance, and Andy Reid wizardry.
Honestly, there are only 4 games left on the schedule (Tampa, @Buffalo, Houston, @ Pittsburgh) where that type of boring, conservative effort doesn't feel like enough.
So yeah, I would say there is a NEED, but it is not a desperate need that you fill no matter the price. Measured approach seems best. [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
They traded a 3rd IIRC for Toney, he flamed massively out, didn't really cause any issues to the Chiefs and team building.
They're not gonna blow out the draft capital here guys. It'll be a 3rd....max.
I could SEE them going as high as a 2nd for the right player (who that is, I don't really know) with the Titans' 3rd effectively being equivalent to the Chiefs' 2nd. Right now I think they'd be picking 4th in the draft, so it's #68.
I don't think they WANT to do that, but it would have to be a player that is either a huge difference maker this year or has some control moving forward. [Reply]
Hollywood returning in Dec would be YUGE...would love fresh legs. I would love it if they got Johnson for a 3rd, but may require a conditional 5th-ish next year, and I would still be more than happy. He is so much stronger at the catch-point than jeudy, more versatile/reliable than Slayton, and has more knee juice than Hopkins. Any would be better than nothing..even Robinson. Not to sound desperate, but the way players are dropping all over the NFL, it seems foolish not to make some level of trade, especially in light of San Fran loising Aiyuk...will they still "go for it" and get aggressive for Hopkins or Johnson?? [Reply]
The "we're rolling and don't need to change anything" talk can quickly turn to "welp, we just didn't have the horses because too many injuries."
If there's a deal to be made, and we stand pat with a rookie, a banged-up Smith-Schuster, Watson, Hardman and Skyy Moore....that's gonna look incredibly foolish if they don't pull it off.
Maybe the defense will hold teams to 12 ppg in the playoffs, but I don't think anyone wants to bank on it. [Reply]