I for one do. We have seen them rise up and shut the critics up enough to not lose faith. It was ugly and surprising for sure but the SB magnifies everything for some reason. Mahomes for sure is no quitter and neither is Veach and Andy. We will recover and be right back in the AFCCG for another shot. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties:
The Chiefs were 5-0 and averaging 26.4 PPG with Thuney at LT before the Super Bowl.
It is flawed logic to suggest they would have been better off by doing something else, when the only evidence for that was a rather disastrous performance against the Chargers with DJ Humphries at LT.
Again, the Texans were very stout up front and in the secondary and the line handled them well enough to beat them twice within a month.
Sometimes you just get got. When the '06 Chiefs went into Indianapolis no one could have predicted the NFL rushing champ would have been shut down. Was the coaching staff stupid for not going into that game trying to throw the ball all over the place with zombie Trent Green, a questionable pass blocking line and jack shit at receiver?
Nay. You dance with what brung you.
In this case Cinderella turned into a pumpkin too soon. The Chiefs coaching staff didn't fail, they were just down too many chess pieces against Gary Kasparov. It was a valiant effort to even get to the final.
The logic is not flawed...The Texans are not stout up the middle. They only have good end rushers. Like JJ Watt said the Chiefs could compensate if one or the other element was the case, meaning if the team had good end rushers or good interior line play. The Eagles had both, and that's why there was a total collapse on the left side of KC's OL.
When you really think about it, you could see it coming. I know that I was very concerned about facing the Eagles front 4 with a make-shift left side of the OL, just like I was against Tampa Bay in the Super Bowl. Said so in numerous threads. The Chiefs should have been also. Maybe they really didnt have a better plan. Maybe the Tackles were really THAT bad so they had to stick with was not working. I still can't believe that's what they did. If I were getting my ass kicked that badly, I'd try anything. I think they should have also. Just my opinion. [Reply]
-OL sacks, pressures and hits were highest of Mahomes era this year.
-5 LT’s last 2 years
-26 WR drops last year
-Justin Watson highest snap count in WR room last 2 years
-Least explosive RB room in NFL. Only 17 plays of 10+ yards for RB’s
-Kelce declining, not a consistent every week TE anymore
-Rice, Pacheco and Hollywood out most of the season
Idk what you guys expect any coach to do with this. It’s actually insane we got as far as we did with this big of a talent issue [Reply]
Originally Posted by RunKC:
-OL sacks, pressures and hits were highest of Mahomes era this year.
-5 LT’s last 2 years
-26 WR drops last year
-Justin Watson highest snap count in WR room last 2 years
-Least explosive RB room in NFL. Only 17 plays of 10+ yards for RB’s
-Kelce declining, not a consistent every week TE anymore
Idk what you guys expect any coach to do with this. It’s actually insane we got as far as we did with this big of a talent issue
Yep. It finally caught up with them. And it took a perfect storm situation where it was just massive strength against glaring weakness, to make it all come tumbling down. And every other problem became instantly overwhelming. [Reply]
Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19:
Clay is 100% right ^^^.
Right now everyone else is doing victory laps while the Chiefs stock is down…
But there’s a lot of ball game left…. and one day, when the big documentaries are made about this Chiefs era, that 2023 playoff run is going to have a lot of people saying, “they did WHAT? How? The ****?!!?”
Was as good of a road run as there has ever been.
No shit. They cant win on the road. Wasn't the Miami spread close even when bettors knew it was going to be cold as shit? Then on the road for the first time. Bettors had us as beatable and this was the year the Bills take us down. Then we beat them and the conversation turns into this is the Ravens year to beat us down. We owned them on the road. Great playoff run. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties:
It is flawed logic to suggest they would have been better off by doing something else
I'm glad to see you've come around since "doing something else" IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED.
5-0, 97 points a game, yadda yadda yadda, because they recognized they had a guard at LT and a shitty backup LG and played accordingly. Then they took what had been working, flushed it down the shitter, and tried to play like they had Roaf and Waters in there.
And when it didn't work (shock!), instead of going back to what HAD worked, they just ran around fucking goats and chickens and tried to salvage the hopeless shitty plan they started with.
Put Andy in a bowl cut and overalls because he went full Simple Jack. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BigRock:
I'm glad to see you've come around since "doing something else" IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED.
5-0, 97 points a game, yadda yadda yadda, because they recognized they had a guard at LT and a shitty backup LG and played accordingly. Then they took what had been working, flushed it down the shitter, and tried to play like they had Roaf and Waters in there.
And when it didn't work (shock!), instead of going back to what HAD worked, they just ran around ****ing goats and chickens and tried to salvage the hopeless shitty plan they started with.
Put Andy in a bowl cut and overalls because he went full Simple Jack.
I guess my question is this. Do you think any other coach can do better than what Andy has done in the last 7 years? Do you think he should be replaced? [Reply]
Originally Posted by RunKC:
-OL sacks, pressures and hits were highest of Mahomes era this year.
1. These increased lower body hits are going to take a toll, if they haven't already.
2. When Mahomes doesn't believe in his protection -- whether justified or not -- he plays at his worst.
3. Outside of Kingsley developing enough for year two or a short-term stopgap in a more fully healed Humphries, I have no idea what the plan it to rectify the situation. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Chitownchiefsfan:
I guess my question is this. Do you think any other coach can do better than what Andy has done in the last 7 years? Do you think he should be replaced?
One of our biggest issues is probably that Andy Reid is such a good coach that he masked a lot of our issues for so long. It was only time before he was unmasked. I imagine most people's sentiment is that this was a good transition point for us to stop bandaiding problems and start addressing them head on.andy is still the best in the business but this will give some extra motivation and fire to get creative and aggressive instead finding ways to make things work.
Veach mahomes and Reid are gonna be on a mission and I don't envy anyone in their path [Reply]
Originally Posted by BigRock:
Then they took what had been working, flushed it down the shitter, and tried to play like they had Roaf and Waters in there.
No they didn't.
For instance, the first two plays of the game were RPOs. Mahomes didn't hand the ball off when the running lane was there for 5+ yards.
Later on they called a max protect play with a deep shot but Mahomes didn't pull the trigger.
You insist on putting all the blame on the coaching staff when no amount of coaching was going to change the outcome. The Chiefs just ran into a superior team where they couldn't hide their warts enough on a day when the QB also chose to shit his pants. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Chitownchiefsfan:
I guess my question is this. Do you think any other coach can do better than what Andy has done in the last 7 years? Do you think he should be replaced?
This is the most pervasive, and annoying ****ing question that comes up any time valid and deserved criticism is leveled at Andy Reid.
Criticism of a ****ing horrible gameplan in the biggest game of his life does not equal FIRE ANDY REID.
We all enjoy and recognize the 7 straight AFCCG games, and 5 Superbowl appearances, but listen up asshole. All that past accomplishment does not absolve Andy of having 2 weeks to prepare, and putting forth quite possibly the absolute WORST ganeplan of his NFL coaching career, and following it up on Superbowl Sunday with ZERO adjustments to personnel, or playcalling.
Can any other coach do better over the last 7 years? Maybe. Andy wasn't really impressing anyone in post season pre Mahomes.
Could any other coach do better on the day of Superbowl LIX,?Im pretty sure a 10 year old Madden player could've done a better job that day, let alone one of the other 30 coaches sitting home and watching Andy put yet another hilariously impressive loss on his resume.
Doesn't mean we want Andy fired. It means we recognize the guy shit his pants in the post season again.
Anybody coming out in defense of what he put together for that game is just a simple blinded Andy fanboy.
You can appreciate what he's done, and still call out a braindead level coaching job. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BigRock:
Two plays?! Wowie! Neato!
How many were called the rest of the game?
You have to get ahold of yourself.
A coaching staff comprised of Andy Reid, Vince Lombardi, Bill Belichick and Tom Landry couldn't have won this game. The Chiefs just didn't have the players. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BigRock:
Two plays?! Wowie! Neato!
How many were called the rest of the game?
They tried to run several RPOs. i don't have an exact snapcount or percentage of plays, but they only ran 44 plays to begin with. but I just watched the A-22 a few days ago, and they did run several more RPOs after the first series. the problem was that PHI-D sat on most of those plays, expecting a WR screen or other quick read play. [Reply]