Originally Posted by smithandrew051:
He doesn’t need to be an upgrade to Thuney at LT.
He just needs to be equal to Thuney at LT, which then gives up a clear upgrade at LG.
Sounds good in theory but Humphries is going to have to show a lot to make that move. He's got to show he can play well enough and that he can do it for the whole game. And that's if he suits up at all. I had high hopes for Humphries but those have faded and to me this is just grasping at straws. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
If not, he's not playing for us again and it's all moot.
I think he will be and if he goes out there and looks credible against Bonnito, there's no reason not to start him in the Divisional round.
"What's worked" has still be schematic more than it has been based on premier performance from Thuney. Thuney's been solid but by no means good at LT. We've simply schemed to help him and Pat's getting the ball out fast.
Keep doing that. Only do that with Humphries at LT and Thuney at LG.
That's WAY better than Thuney at LT and Caliendo at LG.
Just give your LT the help and schematic advantages you've been giving Thuney and you'll be fine there. And in the process massively upgrade your LG.
I found it very strange they didn't give more help to the tackles. I suppose they were seeing what they could handle and with Thuney they just knew he would be help. Idk.
My issue with that theory is that Mahomes clearly wasn't happy. If they were screwing around it would have stopped at that point. Yet it didn't seem, at least at first glance, that they were helping the other guys. [Reply]
Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan:
I found it very strange they didn't give more help to the tackles. I suppose they were seeing what they could handle and with Thuney they just knew he would be help. Idk.
My issue with that theory is that Mahomes clearly wasn't happy. If they were screwing around it would have stopped at that point. Yet it didn't seem, at least at first glance, that they were helping the other guys.
When I watch a game live, I have a tendency to follow the ball instead of watching things like line play. Netflix has a highlight package on Wednesday's game that includes 16 offensive plays by the Chiefs. On the first 15 plays, Thuney received no help. On the 16th play, the TD by Kelce, Hunt dropped a shoulder in to help Thuney on his way out into the flat to the left, but I am not sure Thuney would have needed the help. Almost looked more like Hunt trying to lure the defense into not paying attention to him so he could leak out free more than actually helping Thuney.
So 15 out of the 16 plays in the highlight package had no help for Thuney. We ran 59 plays, I would find it hard to believe Thuney is being given help as much as the narrative of a few posters here would leave one to believe. [Reply]
Originally Posted by JohnnyHammersticks:
DJ is starting in the divisional round if physically able.
Yes, unless there is a physical setback my guess is that is their plan. The game plan opens up more with an average LT there and an elite LG. A healthy Humphries can be average. It's not like you are putting an unproven rookie in there.
You can win with Thuney and quick throws for a game or two in the regular season, but it would be extremely difficult to do that in the playoffs after teams have the tape on you in that approach. Margin of error on the defensive side becomes almost nil. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Coogs:
When I watch a game live, I have a tendency to follow the ball instead of watching things like line play. Netflix has a highlight package on Wednesday's game that includes 16 offensive plays by the Chiefs. On the first 15 plays, Thuney received no help. On the 16th play, the TD by Kelce, Hunt dropped a shoulder in to help Thuney on his way out into the flat to the left, but I am not sure Thuney would have needed the help. Almost looked more like Hunt trying to lure the defense into not paying attention to him so he could leak out free more than actually helping Thuney.
So 15 out of the 16 plays in the highlight package had no help for Thuney. We ran 59 plays, I would find it hard to believe Thuney is being given help as much as the narrative of a few posters here would leave one to believe.
Yes, the first scripted plays where he is getting the ball out with quick throws under 2 seconds, Thuney can work. [Reply]
Here's the thing with this Humphries situation; the Chiefs have absolutely no commitment to him whatsoever. He was signed out of pure desperation. They were trying to avoid having to move Thuney to LT, probably out of fear of how the rest of the line would respond and obviously in particular how Caliendo would perform. Those fears have been put to rest.
Since we've seen the entire offense level up and literally get better with each passing game Thuney is at LT, I can't see a chance in living hell they are suddenly going to switch it up in the playoffs when Mahomes will have played all of one half with Humphries at LT. Could he be fine doing so? Absolutely, he's Pat. However, Thuney has proven he can handle the job and the rest of the line has made it work with him over there, and Pat looks more comfortable than he has in quite some time.
I think there's literally zero chance Humphries is starting in the playoffs, but I do think they'll try to keep him for next year. That makes the most sense the way things stand now. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief:
Here's the thing with this Humphries situation; the Chiefs have absolutely no commitment to him whatsoever. He was signed out of pure desperation. They were trying to avoid having to move Thuney to LT, probably out of fear of how the rest of the line would respond and obviously in particular how Caliendo would perform. Those fears have been put to rest.
Since we've seen the entire offense level up and literally get better with each passing game Thuney is at LT, I can't see a chance in living hell they are suddenly going to switch it up in the playoffs when Mahomes will have played all of one half with Humphries at LT. Could he be fine doing so? Absolutely, he's Pat. However, Thuney has proven he can handle the job and the rest of the line has made it work with him over there, and Pat looks more comfortable than he has in quite some time.
I think there's literally zero chance Humphries is starting in the playoffs, but I do think they'll try to keep him for next year. That makes the most sense the way things stand now.
If (deciding factor) he is fully healthy he is the best option. You have almost a preseason of practices to get him up to speed with the offense. If you think you want to keep him next year, why would you hold him out for the playoffs? [Reply]
Originally Posted by VAChief:
If (deciding factor) he is fully healthy he is the best option. You have almost a preseason of practices to get him up to speed with the offense. If you think you want to keep him next year, why would you hold him out for the playoffs?
Is practice really going to give him enough time to gel with Mahomes, though? I don’t know, if he looks back to his old self against Denver, maybe you consider it. That would certainly be ideal if he looks so damn good they can’t justify not putting him on the field.
Just based on Andy’s history, it doesn’t seem like the direction they’ll go, but Reid has also proven the last few years he isn’t as stuck in his ways as he has been in the past. I’m guessing no decision has officially been made, and they’ll see how it goes during the next few weeks. It’s just nice to know they don’t have to force anything if Humphries still doesn’t look ready to go. The ideal situation is he looks like a damn silverback next week and forces his way into the lineup. Would love to see it, both for the stretch run and being set for next year. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief:
Is practice really going to give him enough time to gel with Mahomes, though? I don’t know, if he looks back to his old self against Denver, maybe you consider it. That would certainly be ideal if he looks so damn good they can’t justify not putting him on the field.
Just based on Andy’s history, it doesn’t seem like the direction they’ll go, but Reid has also proven the last few years he isn’t as stuck in his ways as he has been in the past. I’m guessing no decision has officially been made, and they’ll see how it goes during the next few weeks. It’s just nice to know they don’t have to force anything if Humphries still doesn’t look ready to go. The ideal situation is he looks like a damn silverback next week and forces his way into the lineup. Would love to see it, both for the stretch run and being set for next year.
They put him out there after like 4 practices so I don't think 4 weeks is going to be too few, plus I suspect if he can go next week vs. Denver he will get some work there too.
I don't think anyone on here is expecting the Pro Bowl Humphries anymore, but he doesn't have to be. If Andy gets to open up his playbook even a little more with DJ...he is going to play. Health is the open question, not whether he is the best option if healthy. [Reply]
Originally Posted by VAChief:
Yes, the first scripted plays where he is getting the ball out with quick throws under 2 seconds, Thuney can work.
Have you guys noticed the designed roll-outs with that cut-back type block by the running back? The Chiefs have been doing more of those the last couple games and for the most part they are working. Gets Mahomes out of the pocket and drags a WR or TE across the field. [Reply]