- Early career production - Dynamic threat downfield & after the catch - Elite speed & start-stop ability - Fluid mover w/ good route running chops - Ball tracking is A+
Not entirely sure why the vibe isn't higher when talking about him in the WR class. pic.twitter.com/dv3JjdyZgh
I'll write something fresh about Worthy tomorrow morning now that he's a Chief to lay out how he's more than speed, but for now here's an excerpt from article linked in the below tweet... https://t.co/EcW7QtUrFFpic.twitter.com/811ahCEfMS
I also think we can effectively put to bed the "Training camp doesn't matter" stuff. They went thru camp with this group then immediately lost their two WR's, then lost another one who knows what to do.
It just isn't gonna be a well oiled machine like that quick. [Reply]
Comparing this kid to Mecole as a rookie is just so bad. It’s not anywhere near the same.
Mecole had Tyreek, Sammy, prime Kelce, Conley and even Robinson playing in front of him.
A ton of Mecole’s success as a rookie was Tyreek dragging multiple DB’s leaving him open vs CB3’s and CB4’s.
Worthy doesn’t have that luxury. Every damn WR in front of him got hurt. He’s been thrown out there to be WR2. Yesterday he was counted on so much bc Surtain was on Hopkins. And the kid was open for 2 TD’s that the QB missed.
I wasn’t a big Worthy fan during the draft process but watching this kid get open every game and have good ball tracking ability is wild. He’s gonna be really good. He’s still figuring shit out.
And stop comparing Rice to this kid. They don’t play the same way. I mean good God do I need to bump the threads last year of people saying continuously saying that Rice is only doing screens? Bc that was 90% of his usage for most of last year.
Mecole had Tyreek, Sammy, prime Kelce, Conley and even Robinson playing in front of him.
This isn't the endorsement you seem to think it is. Mecole had over 500 yards from scrimmage, 6 TDs, and made the pro bowl as a punt returner his rookie season. I quite frankly don't understand why folks get so ass hurt when Worthy is compared to Hardman. They ARE the same as rookies. Athletes with world class speed that need time to fully develop as WRs but can produce as deep threats/gimmicks as they learn. The problem with Hardman is he never developed at the NFL level. No one is saying Worthy will follow the same development curve, which is non-existent. They're just pretty fucking similar as rookies. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
The more frequently i watch other teams, the more I realize that the scramble drill shit really isn't exclusive to us.
Successful teams are all scoring points off those plays. The Lions were doing it with Goff last night. Stroud did it a couple times.
Those plays are a part of the game now. You have to be able to execute them or you're going to struggle.
Mahomes had an easy throw and a clear lane. He needs to hit that ball. And the other deep shot. And the Kelce ball.
He struggled yesterday. A lot.
It's the same shit as last year, but a different reason I guess. "He doesn't trust the WR"s" to now "he doesn't trust the OL"
Well **** guys....I dunno what to tell you then.
It's not even the scramble drill shit here. It's the fact that he even turned it into a scramble drill.
I'll get flamed for it.....but everything just looks slow. Reading the defense, being confused. Nothing is within structure. It's snap it, hang on to it, run around and hope someone gets open.
How about hit your back foot there and put it on your TE at the goal line when he turns around...Edit: I was wrong he's not open, it's Kelce there on the drag. It's first and goal at the 10, take the dump off an dmove on. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Bl00dyBizkitz:
Yeah I'm hitting that point with Mahomes where I'm like Dude just sling it. No one will judge you for it. You're Patrick f'ing Mahomes.
He was getting judged for fluke batted ball interceptions on this very forum just a month ago. Whenever he starts throwing picks (whether or not there his fault), he tends to go into Alex mode.
He won a Super Bowl by doing this last season, so I can’t blame him for that favoring that response with our current defense. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch:
Get annoyed by it all you want. They're not mutually exclusive concepts. Worthy has struggled multiple times with basics like footwork and actually catching the ball when it does hit him in the hands.
Yeah Mahomes has been off but I really don't think Worthy is blameless. His hands haven't been great, his footwork suspect and for all the talk of how open he is, he's really not beating his man like a drum every snap, from what I can see.
He is a project, he absolutely looks like one. As a receiver actually gaining yards he's really offered next to nothing. He's been one fantastic deep ball and a lot of pretty decoys.
And without Rice, Brown and with putrid play at LT it's just going to be another slog. Injuries suck, what can you do? [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
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Guys, QBs get hit and oftentimes they get hit pretty damn hard. I've NEVER seen Mahomes take the kind of shot Murray took there. And Murray shook it off.
Mahomes is gonna get hit some. We need to accept that. So does he.
He left 15 points on the field yesterday. At least. And yes, he was responsible for one very good play to Perine (and had another couple solid ones in there as well) but like I said, that's just the NFL game now. If your QB can't make a handful of those plays every game, your QB needs to be replaced.
He was bad yesterday. The only thing I’ll add is that he still stood tall and delivered a game winning ball to DHop with Engage 8 coming in hot from the Broncos D.
Judging from how opposing QB’s have handled Spags’ blitzing this year, I’m confident that only Burrow and Baker make that throw from the QB’s we’ve faced, and I’d gamble only <10 QB’s in the NFL stand and deliver that throw in that situation.
Patrick, for all his warts this year, has still delivered those throws to give us the win. I’m confident that play results in a punt if Alex is under center, and I’ll start to get concerned if Patrick starts biffing those game swinging plays like he did on and off in 2021 (culminating in perhaps his worst two chokes of the year to end regulation in the first AFCCG against the Bengals). [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
I also think we can effectively put to bed the "Training camp doesn't matter" stuff. They went thru camp with this group then immediately lost their two WR's, then lost another one who knows what to do.
It just isn't gonna be a well oiled machine like that quick.
I think it really illustrates how little importance training camp means.
Coaches thought Kingsley was better than Morris.
Coaches thought Steele would be good.
Everyone raving about WRs last year...and this year.
Kelce obvious wasn't in game shape even after camp.
Even after camp and "getting into football shape" we still had tons of injuries.
In game reps and how a player performs when the lights come on matter waaaaaaaaaay more than anything that happens in training camp. We always, always take too much away from training camp. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BWillie:
I think it really illustrates how little importance training camp means.
Coaches thought Kingsley was better than Morris.
Coaches thought Steele would be good.
Everyone raving about WRs last year...and this year.
Kelce obvious wasn't in game shape even after camp.
Even after camp and "getting into football shape" we still had tons of injuries.
In game reps and how a player performs when the lights come on matter waaaaaaaaaay more than anything that happens in training camp. We always, always take too much away from training camp.
Oh shut the fuck up.
Coaches thought Steele was better than the other RBs who didn't make it, and they were dealing with CEH's illness/PTSD. Tell me, under your glorious plan of no training camp because it doesn't mean shit, how are dudes supposed to get a shot at making it in the NFL? Do guys like Steele who were impressive in offseason workouts just never get a chance? So how else do you find guys who can play or get coached up into players who can play?
"Everyone". Fuck off. People didn't say they sucked, but they were pretty pumped about Rice plus Hollywood, and they figured Worthy could work in there on gadget stuff and get some big plays. They said the WRs were improved, which they were until the top two guys got hurt.
You're clueless about Kelce's shit. Not a single fan knows why he wasn't effective to start the year, but that's between him and the coaches.
And after getting into football shape, the "tons of injuries" we had were Hollywood (who is kind of made of glass anyway) and a couple defensive backs. We were a ton healthier than most teams to start the year, and if it weren't for Mahomes blowing out his own receiver's knee, we'd probably still be saying we're doing great as far as injuries go.
If I find a magic lamp and ask the genie to send you to another dimension where you run the NFL, do you promise to report back to us what an epic shit show it is? [Reply]
My God Patrick wtf. 4 wide open TD’s missed on Sunday. How could he have missed Hopkins here? Good Lord.
I get the LT wasn’t good but fire that sumbitch in there man.
Mahomes actually misses an open Hopkins. I think the DT on Thuney starting clear made him change direction. Kelce would score a TD in a couple plays. #Chiefs#ChiefsKingdompic.twitter.com/UKUCiCtiX9
Originally Posted by BWillie:
I think it really illustrates how little importance training camp means.
Coaches thought Kingsley was better than Morris.
Coaches thought Steele would be good.
Everyone raving about WRs last year...and this year.
Kelce obvious wasn't in game shape even after camp.
Even after camp and "getting into football shape" we still had tons of injuries.
In game reps and how a player performs when the lights come on matter waaaaaaaaaay more than anything that happens in training camp. We always, always take too much away from training camp.
Just picking up and throwing in WR's, or other players, doesn't exactly work. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BWillie:
I think it really illustrates how little importance training camp means.
Coaches thought Kingsley was better than Morris.
Coaches thought Steele would be good.
Everyone raving about WRs last year...and this year.
Kelce obvious wasn't in game shape even after camp.
Even after camp and "getting into football shape" we still had tons of injuries.
In game reps and how a player performs when the lights come on matter waaaaaaaaaay more than anything that happens in training camp. We always, always take too much away from training camp.
Maybe you should pull for the Bengals. They seem to get off to great starts with your formula. [Reply]
