RD 2 | PICK 63 - @Chiefs: Willie Gay LB, Miss State
Gay (4.46 40 @ 243 lbs) made our NGS day 2 standouts list with elite athleticism (99 athleticism score) for a linebacker. Suspensions (8 total games) derailed his 2019 season and his production score took a hit (53).#NFLDraftpic.twitter.com/rCpEi7X6qT
I totally get Crows concerns about experience/production, the kids super raw and there’s no way around that... a boom or bust prospect
But with this coaching and how tight the culture is right now, that learning curve can be flattened quickly... you gotta swing for the fences sometimes, this club can get the best out of him [Reply]
Based off his draft reaction and how he spoke in that quick 1 question interview I like this kid and his personality. Seems like a caring charismatic guy, plus he's a fucking great LB which we needed terribly. Just so happy 1 of (maybe the 2 best ILB's was available for us at 63! Lets go I fucking love Gay! [Reply]
Originally Posted by staylor26:
You can keep saying he didn’t draft Mahomes all you want.
The fact is he’s the guy that pounded the table first and got everybody to buy in. He started the process of drafting him. This is a fact that has been confirmed by people at Texas Tech (or Mahomes people can’t remember) who have no reason to lie.
You refusing time give him credit for that is strange. Are you in competition with him or something? Do you want to prove every year that you’re smarter than the Chiefs GM? I’m not trying to be a dick, it just certainly comes off that way.
First thing, you think John Dorsey didn't see Mahomes' talent? Seriously?
Don't get me wrong, Dorsey had flaws, but he brought alot of talent to this team. Kelce, Hill, Mahomes, Fisher, Jones, etc etc etc. He also brought a lot of talent to Cleveland in his short stint there.
I do not give Veach credit for Mahomes. Just because he was in the chain of command to the area scout doesn't mean I give him credit for it. The ultimate decision to pull that trigger was John Dorsey's. Dorsey will always get credit for that, always.
I liked Veach's draft last year in retrospect. Thornhill was a great value, Saunders proved to be a solid rotational piece as did Hardman. All we got from 2018 though was Nnadi, really. So, there's obviously proof he isn't perfect either.
You liked Gay coming into this, so obviously you're going to like the pick. I don't fault you or anyone else for seeing the positives in the kid. The athleticism is absolutely as good as it gets for a LB. But, he hardly has any collegiate experience or production, some of that his own doing. You question how smart the kid is and if he can learn the position based on that. Would I support the pick? Yes, I would. I just don't support it at 63. I think you're looking at a guy that's probably 2 years out from being an impactful player unless House can unleash some magic with him. Maybe he does, but I doubt it. It's not like we're a bunch of idiots looking at this and haven't seen this all go down before. There was a DE that Tampa took a handful of years ago who's name slips my mind right now that is a really similar comparison and he flamed out.
As for knowing more? No, I've never proclaimed to know more than NFL scouts. I put some level of faith into the process and system, but that doesn't mean I won't have my opinion. Same as you or anyone else. You talk all offseason about prospects you like and prospects you don't like. A bunch of people here do. Doesn't make any one of us more knowledgeable than the other or better than the NFL guys. But you know what, there's a good majority of us that would do pretty well winging it from the couch over some of the GMs in this league.
I'm willing to bet that if I put you, Rain Man, Pugs, Bosschief, SNR, The Franchise, Mecca, a couple others I'm forgetting at the moment, and myself in a room we could be a whole lot better at this than Bob in Houston and we don't have half the info that moron does.
The very fact that some fucking pleabe on this board calls a person out as "not a fan" because of stating a strong opinion against this pick is ridiculous. I'm definitely a fan. I'm a guy that pounded the table all year long in 2017 for Mahomes and was ecstatic when it happened. And then, there have been guys I've pounded the table for and been dead fucking wrong. Phillip Dorsett comes to mind. I thought he would be what Tyreek has come to be and he's a far cry from it. I'm wrong as much as the next guy, but I have my opinions and I'm entitled to speak them, and everyone here is welcome to rebut them. But to call me out as a fan? Give me a break. [Reply]
