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Originally Posted by staylor26:
Jermaine Johnson has 7 sacks?
No, he has 2.5. Same as Karlaftis.
Hutchinson was the #2 overall pick. Is that our expectations for a guy we took at 30?
God damn you're reeruned.
It's really hard to have a conversation with someone when blanket facts are wrong.
Thibodeaux has 2 sacks as well in case anyone cared to bring up how many more he sacks has than Karlaftis...
I just don't understand it. No one is claming Karlaftis or Moore has played at a superstar level. There are those of who are judging them as a final product and those of us who understand that these are rookies with inevitable growing pains and maturation. [Reply]
Originally Posted by TwistedChief:
It's really hard to have a conversation with someone when blanket facts are wrong.
Thibodeaux has 2 sacks as well in case anyone cared to bring up how many more he sacks has than Karlaftis...
I just don't understand it. No one is claming Karlaftis or Moore has played at a superstar level. There are those of who are judging them as a final product and those of us who understand that these are rookies with inevitable growing pains and maturation.
There are also those saying he's a rookie who'll need time but hasn't been particularly good. I reckon the last 2 games he's been a little better, not just shown by the sacks. [Reply]
People having expectations of this going differently or similarly to a learning curve of a guy going in the top 5 at DE were always going to be upset/wrong. That's on them. [Reply]
Originally Posted by JPH83:
There are also those saying he's a rookie who'll need time but hasn't been particularly good. I reckon the last 2 games he's been a little better, not just shown by the sacks.
I'm sorry, but when he was just getting pressures and not sacks, I could understand, but now that the sacks are coming, if you're still not satisfied, it's because your expectations are clearly too high or you don't want to be. [Reply]
He has identical measurables to Nick Bosa and doesn’t turn 22 until next April. I’m going to relax on this one. I don’t think he’ll ever be a consistent high teen sacks guy. Probably closer to 10-13 a year. But that will still be a win [Reply]
Originally Posted by JPH83:
There are also those saying he's a rookie who'll need time but hasn't been particularly good. I reckon the last 2 games he's been a little better, not just shown by the sacks.
If sacks are all that matters (and not pressures), OBJ is going to reset the LT market.
If pressures actually matter, then not so much. [Reply]
anyone claiming sacks are the end all be all needs to watch this. Trey Hendrickson didn’t have a sack on the boxscore but he was ruining plays for us and putting Orlando Brown Jr in hell.
Trey Hendrickson didn't have a sack on Sunday, but he was still generating a ton of pressure. He had whatever he wanted against Orlando Brown. Either swipes around the outside or speed to power right through him. pic.twitter.com/17BEwkf370
Originally Posted by RunKC:
anyone claiming sacks are the end all be all needs to watch this. Trey Hendrickson didn’t have a sack on the boxscore but he was ruining plays for us and putting Orlando Brown Jr in hell.
Trey Hendrickson didn't have a sack on Sunday, but he was still generating a ton of pressure. He had whatever he wanted against Orlando Brown. Either swipes around the outside or speed to power right through him. pic.twitter.com/17BEwkf370
Anyone, claiming not finishing a play is ok is just making excuses for a limited player. Who's suppose to help the passrush yet the Chiefs still need a better passrush. [Reply]
Originally Posted by staylor26:
Sacks don't qualify as finishing plays now?
Just admit that you've now moved the goalposts. At least that would be intellectually honest.
Be honest, you're being homer if you're not looking at the situation of 5hose sacks a coverage and a sack against a 3rd stringer. I even said as such before the Rams game [Reply]
Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare:
Be honest, you're being homer if you're not looking at the situation of 5hose sacks a coverage and a sack against a 3rd stringer. I even said as such before the Rams game
So we've established that pressures weren't good enough because they weren't sacks, now sacks alone aren't good enough either.
You posted the other rookie's sack totals (some which were completely off) with ZERO context. I'm sure none of those were coverage sacks and they were all agaisnt All-Pros.
Originally Posted by RunKC:
anyone claiming sacks are the end all be all needs to watch this. Trey Hendrickson didn’t have a sack on the boxscore but he was ruining plays for us and putting Orlando Brown Jr in hell.
Trey Hendrickson didn't have a sack on Sunday, but he was still generating a ton of pressure. He had whatever he wanted against Orlando Brown. Either swipes around the outside or speed to power right through him. pic.twitter.com/17BEwkf370