Since we have a what are you drinking thread, I think we need a what strain are you smoking thread. Hope it's not a Q.
I'll start. I've got 2 kinds currently 1) Cherry Berry, which is a cross between Berry White and Cherry Kush 2) some fire ass Blue Dream. Hard to pick which I like better but leaning towards Cherry Berry. All the Berry White strains I've had are funk!! [Reply]
Originally Posted by rabblerouser:
Yeah, clones gotta come from somewhere, lol
You start, say, 5 or 6 seeds of a certain phenotype, and keep the 2 or 3 strongest, heartiest, best looking to clone when they're at the veg stage and those plants are the 'mothers' that the clones are cut from
Of course. It's not only easy, it's how you ensure consistency of the strain going forward.
I can't imagine anybody grows from seeds, other than for starters. [Reply]
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
Do producers really grow from seed? That's like the ancient method. It's so easy to clone plants nowadays.
Only for pheno hunting. Once a pheno is selected, if at all, then cloning
can happen But it always starts with a seed. Sure there are clones bought/sold/shared amongst those growing commercially. But then you have things that can one clones final product in one facility may not seem like the same product from another. Grower, environment, genetic drift, etc. can all play a part in it.
Commercial growers never stop searching for that next strain to market. Doesn't matter if it comes from an existing clone or seed. [Reply]
Originally Posted by rabblerouser:
Yeah, clones gotta come from somewhere, lol
You start, say, 5 or 6 seeds of a certain phenotype, and keep the 2 or 3 strongest, heartiest, best looking to clone when they're at the veg stage and those plants are the 'mothers' that the clones are cut from
Commercially you would like to start at least 100. Not saying you can't do it, but a 5 pack of F1 seeds you might not get exactly the best choices of phenos. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RubberSponge:
Only for pheno hunting. Once a pheno is selected, if at all, then cloning
can happen But it always starts with a seed. Sure there are clones bought/sold/shared amongst those growing commercially. But then you have things that can one clones final product in one facility may not seem like the same product from another. Grower, environment, genetic drift, etc. can all play a part in it.
Commercial growers never stop searching for that next strain to market. Doesn't matter if it comes from an existing clone or seed.
See to me, that's R&D. Whereas commercial production would be mostly, if not all, cloning. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RubberSponge:
Commercially you would like to start at least 100. Not saying you can't do it, but a 5 pack of F1 seeds you might not get exactly the best choices of phenos.
A 5 packs of seeds might not even produce a viable plant. I once planted 4 seeds and all 4 of them ended up being "males". [Reply]
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
A 5 packs of seeds might not even produce a viable plant. I once planted 4 seeds and all 4 of them ended up being "males".
That can happen.
Males are important though. Find a breeding male and you can make millions. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RubberSponge:
Clones can genetically drift and get tired and putter out.
That is true. There's definitely a slow degradation of genetics the more you clone something. It's like taking a Xerox copy and putting on the copy machine. The more you do it, the lighter the ink becomes until you can no longer read it and the source material is gone. [Reply]
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
See to me, that's R&D. Whereas commercial production would be mostly, if not all, cloning.
You thinking of a facilities that like to turn and burn. They won't last in the long term when the hammer comes down.
I'm thinking of facilities that are thinking long term. Those that realize that eventually IP rights are coming down on cannabis strains at some point and don't want to be holding someone else's bag with a future residual payment attached to it from past years worth of profits. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RubberSponge:
You thinking of a facilities that like to turn and burn. They won't last in the long term when the hammer comes down.
I'm thinking of facilities that are thinking long term. Those that realize that eventually IP rights are coming down on cannabis strains at some point and don't want to be holding someone else's bag with a future residual payment attached to it from past years worth of profits.
For sure. I wasn't talking about cloning someone else's plants. I was talking about controlled growing of seedlings specifically for the purpose of cloning. Which you can't do forever, as you previously said.
So good growers are going to be constantly doing both - R&D and production. [Reply]
