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The release date is now December 15, 2017.
The Official Synopsis from Star Wars.com
“In Lucasfilm’s Star Wars: The Last Jedi, the Skywalker saga continues as the heroes of The Force Awakens join the galactic legends in an epic adventure that unlocks age-old mysteries of the Force and shocking revelations of the past.
Star Wars: The Last Jedi opens in U.S. theaters on December 15, 2017.”
Man I'm reading shit with people bitching about the Porgs.
THE PORGS.
Because they didn't "advance the plot."
Fucking come on, fam. The goddamn critters in Jabba's Palace didn't advance the plot for shit, either. You might as well be bitching about the giant frog-thing that tongues it's dinner in a brief cutaway in Jedi.
Ok, so somebody explain the force vision Rey had when she got sucked into the dark side hole (Heh) in the cliffs. What was the significance of seeing herself in basically an Eternity Mirror, and what did that mean when she asked to see who her parents really are that she was shown only a reflection of herself? Are they setting this up as another Anakin virgin birth/ One Who Will Bring Balance to the Force angle? Because I really hope that's not it.
When Rey hit sucked into the dark side hole like you said and then seeing herself in the enter its mirror and asking who her parents are and seeing a reflection of her. I think it's saying it's unimportant who they are [Reply]
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Following the release of “The Last Jedi,” some fans had a bad feeling the movie was missing one iconic staple. But director Rian Johnson is here to set the record straight.
Fans feared that the new “Star Wars” movie had omitted a classic line that’s been uttered throughout the franchise ― some variation of the phrase “I have a bad feeling about this.”
In an interview Friday, HuffPost asked Johnson if the line came from BB-8′s anxious beeps when the droid and Poe Dameron (Oscar Isaac) are flying into battle against the First Order near the start of the movie. The director confirmed: Yes, that was it.
Oh yeah...and to be honest, astral projection IS canon.
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It's something that's been layered into the canon since TCW--the Mortis "Force Wielders" did something similar in all their vision-y stuff to Anakin, Obi-Wan, and Ahsoka, and Rebels had Yoda projecting himself to Ezra.
Snoke's Dead, Baby. Snoke's Dead.
One of the bigger surprises in the film comes when Supreme Leader Snoke -- that CGI confection dreamed up by J.J. Abrams and company for The Force Awakens as a sort of Next Gen Emperor Palpatine -- bites the big one at the hands of his apprentice Kylo Ren. When faced with the prospect of killing Rey, at the behest of Snoke, the former Ben Solo instead chooses to plant a lightsaber blade right into his boss' side. Ouch.
Johnson's decision to get rid of Snoke has rattled fans who have spent the past two years since TFA theorizing about and puzzling over the mysterious character's origins and true nature. Was he Ezra Bridger from the Rebels animated series, all grown up and deformed? Did he have some active role in the original trilogy or prequel era that would soon be revealed? How did he become so powerful with the Force and ascend to be the leader of the First Order? Who was this freaking guy?!
Some fans felt that they were owed answers to these questions, and if you became invested in Snoke between films it must be frustrating to see the character just dropped. But clearly Johnson had no interest in giving any answers in regards to the Supreme Leader; it's pretty obvious that the filmmaker wanted to -- and basically did -- jettison several of Abrams' additions to the pantheon (neither Phasma nor Maz Kanata fare much better than Snoke in this film). But it's an interesting situation to ponder. Did Johnson owe viewers some details about a character like Snoke -- who was so cloaked in and, really, built on mystery -- before killing him off? Perhaps. At the same time, it's clear that Abrams and Lucasfilm president Kathleen Kennedy had no real game plan for at least some of these characters beyond The Force Awakens, so why shouldn't Johnson be free to come in and tell the version of Snoke's story that he wants? Which, as it turns out, is the version where Snoke gets cut in half before we find out anything about him.
hese Aren't the Parents You're Looking For
The disposition of Rey's parents, another mystery teased since The Force Awakens, seems to be resolved here with the not very earth-shattering revelation that Mr. and Mrs. Rey were "nobodies," junkers who sold their young daughter for drinking money. As with Snoke, Rey's parentage not turning out to be some crazy reference to past Star Wars mythology is difficult for some to swallow. Again, there had been so many theories and expectations built up around this Abrams mystery that the apparent truth of it all plays as disappointing for many. Indeed, some fans believe that Kylo Ren's story about Rey's folks is just a fake-out and that we will yet learn the truth about them in Episode IX. And who knows? With Abrams returning to helm that film, things may very well play out that way.
And yet, thematically this reveal ties into The Last Jedi -- and also the bigger Star Wars story. Johnson is obviously interested in the idea that heroes can, and often do, come from nothing. Witness the orphan child at the end of the film, abused and enslaved for the moment, but endowed with the power of the Force and looking off at the stars and the future. Even Luke Skywalker is descended from slaves; his father, Anakin, and his grandmother were bought and sold as well. But Anakin grew from those very low beginnings to become a powerful Jedi, and then the ultimate villain, before redeeming himself in his final moments. So is the idea that Rey, too, is just a "nobody" all that far-fetched?
Luke Gets Force-Ghosted
Bringing back the classic original characters of Han, Luke and Leia was always going to be fraught with dangers. How do you recapture the magic of these iconic figures decades after we last saw them and when they're well past their prime? Abrams mostly pulled if off with Han and Leia in Force Awakens, but Luke -- aside from a brief, silent appearance at the end of that film -- was left off the table until now, thereby building up even more for viewers the anticipation of seeing him in action.
And so the Luke that we finally got here had a lot to live up to. But of course, Johnson wanted to do something different with the character and not just rehash what had come before. This was a common complaint about Force Awakens, as we all know -- that Abrams recycled concepts from A New Hope. In avoiding that trap, though, it seems that Johnson has not hit all the marks that some fans expected and/or hoped for in regards to Luke. He doesn't pull a Star Destroyer out of orbit using the Force, he doesn't get into an awesome lightsaber duel... heck, he doesn't even leave Ahch-To. Also, he dies quietly while seeing a vision of the suns setting on the homeworld he long ago left behind.
It's easy to see how the anticipation for something like the ultimate laser sword duel between Luke and Kylo could be strong. But in this case the filmmaker chose to portray Luke's awesome power with the Force differently, and also in a manner that was -- for many other viewers -- extremely satisfying and dramatically surprising. Adding to it all is the fact that The Last Jedi, and Johnson, has killed off Luke Skywalker, a hero for so many of us for so very, very long. In a very real way, this starts to become personal.
I Pretty much hate the movie for all 3 of these plot point's
That and Rey never got any training She is just a jedi master Cause ??!?!?!?! [Reply]
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Possibly. The idea of who or what they might be interests me, but it's not critically important, imo. That would have been a pretty deep way (for Star Wars, anyway) to show that the subject is a nothingburger.
Here's the problem with this movie and the way it has structured the universe: it's a nihilistic exercise.
The plot was in many ways an elaborate troll job--Who are Rey's parents? Doesn't matter. What was Snoke's background? Doesn't matter. Who is the guy with the flower on his lapel? Doesn't matter.
In moderation, that is fine, but when it's done over and over again, it's thematic trolling.
If the Force continually brings balance and all of the characters die in some interaction related to its balancing, then their actions are meaningless in light of the future plot developments, because they are nothing but pawns.
If Anakin Skywalker exists to bring balance to the Force, and in the process both contributes to the creation and destruction of a galactic empire, that arc has meaning. If things immediately go to shit afterwards and the First Order replaces the Empire and continues doing Empire things, then his actions accomplish nothing.
If Luke pushes Vader back to the light and brings him redemption, then his actions have value. If immediately thereafter the empire that he destroys returns with different branding, and he lives his remaining time as an exile, his original actions accomplished nothing.
The challenge these writers were presented with was to grow the universe and present new, compelling stories. Good writers can accomplish that without sacrificing the meaning of the preceding stories in the process. Bad writers can't. [Reply]
I completely disagree about what they're trying to achieve. it was crystal clear to me that a Jedi can come from anywhere and be anyone. Rey did not get any training AND wasn't in an existing bloodline. Prequels no longer make any sense whatsoever with this in mind.
Also that force kid shit with the broom at the end pushes this stupid direction even more.
I've never left a star wars movie feeling less excited about the direction of the universe. [Reply]
