"There's no hand waiving..."

{proceeds to make excuses for a 2nd round pick playing worse than every other WR taken in the round...}

That 'deepest WR room in the league' was missing it's top 3 options for parts of the game and Moore did nothing. That 'connection' that Justin Watson, a complete JAG and league-wide afterthought, was there for the taking for Moore. That 4th WR spot he was fighting for has turned into the 6th WR spot by mid-season. That's not progress, fellas.

Hardman, who you have never said anything positive about, has kept far more space between himself and Moore than he did between himself and Pringle.

There's just always some justification for a second round pick to be contributing nothing to this offense. And when it's clearly harder now to make the "well the scheme is just so complicated" argument with Toney hitting the ground running, you cite some 'connection' between Mahomes and Watson instead.

Yes, that's absolutely hand-waiving. It's the definition of same. There's always a 'yeah but' with this kid.

Bottom line is that the Chiefs reached on a guy who wasn't ready to contribute and doesn't have the raw tools to present a long-term, high upside play. That's an iffy pick and it's okay to call it such.
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Oh well....he sure made himself invisible during that time. Might as well have kept him at 0 snaps.
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"But, but, but....Toney is actually talented..."

Yeah, that's kinda the point, laddies.
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I don't think Pierce is going to be any better than Moore, at all. He's got the physical traits but he's also getting snaps...because the Colts WR room is full of stiffs. I honestly can't see any way Moore doesn't get more targets if he's up against Parris Campbell.

The guys who come in and blow the doors off in this offence are elite talents like Hill and Toney. We agree Moore aint that. But I think there's every chance he's better than Alec Pierce.
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We are a half game past the midpoint of the season.

Not saying that it was a great pick or anything of the sort. But giving up on the season if he doesn't bust out against the Chargers is premature.
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It never made sense to begin with. I get Andy's system can be hard to learn but if you show you can be a playmaker, he'll figure out how to get the ball in your hands.
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He's getting lapped by Justin Watson.

We continue to ignore what's happening for hypothetical 'competition' when Moore's given no indication that he'd pass anyone on a depth chart right now.
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I don't think it's wrong for people to wait and see what happens before they declare him a wasted pick.
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At the same time, a pick's 'value' is 4 years. From that point on, he's just another contract on the books.

If you torch 1/4 of that value on a 2nd rounder who's presently sitting 6th on the depth chart, that means something.
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Exactly! SHOW SOMETHING and you'll get touches.
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Muffing punts isn’t his fault? Really?
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Like fuck he did.

I got too much going on today to debate this the way i want. But, no, he did not. The tape don't lie.

Again, im not OUT on Moore by any means. I think he's talented and will contribute to this offense.

But some of these arguments need to just be put to bed. They were wrong then, and they're even more wrong now.
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The interception was just so bad.

It's a simple dig route. It's the shit you learn in high school. And it was schemed up to get him the ball.

And he botched it. If you can't run that route when it's called expressly for you and there's a dedicated clear out coming from the back side, you don't belong on the field.
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Not saying it doesn't. But once again, it doesn't look like there's any room for a middle ground. You either hate the pick or you love it. You either must hate him or you're making excuses.

The polarization that happens here is just maddening sometimes.
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Not hand-waiving...
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