Add in the pressures that blow plays up and the missed reads because of phantoms in Mahomes' head due to said pressures, and that just exponentially grows the issue. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RunKC:
Almost like that was during rookie contract Mahomes and having prime Travis Kelce, Tyreek Hill, Eric Fisher and Mitchell Schwartz is pretty difficult to replicate when you are paying your QB so much and draft at the end of every round.
We have the best QB in football. We can't keep using the "drafting in the back of rounds" excuse. Especially when 2 of the players you just listed were a 3rd and 5th round pick and one of the others was a free agent. After the first round, that excuse shouldn't really exist anyways.
We're starting to treat Mahomes and the offense like Alex Smith and his offenses where everything has to be perfect around him for him to succeed. [Reply]
Originally Posted by -King-:
We have the best QB in football. We can't keep using the "drafting in the back of rounds" excuse. Especially when 2 of the players you just listed were a 3rd and 5th round pick and one of the others was a free agent. After the first round, that excuse shouldn't really exist anyways.
We're starting to treat Mahomes and the offense like Alex Smith and his offenses where everything has to be perfect around him for him to succeed.
Yes if only Veach or any GM can just get a first ballot HOF TE and first ballot HOF WR in rds 3 and 5 :-) [Reply]
This data is really pretty useless without a comparison to how other teams did given the same circumstances. Of course if we don't screw up on any drives and other teams do we will be #1. The Oline is definitely an issue, but this doesn't give definition to that. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
But if you have:
Bernhard Raimann: 3rd round
Zach Tom: 5th round
De'von Achane: 3rd Round
George Pickens: 2nd round
You have MORE than enough to stand toe to toe with the Lions at those positions.
We put a LOT on draft position when the bottom line is that we're taking guys like Cook, Kinnard, Moore and Wanya Morris instead of those guys.
At a point, draft position didn't get us here. Simply making questionable picks did.
Well to be fair the Chiefs haven’t really struggled with weapons. Rashee Rice and Xavier Worthy were excellent picks. Noah Gray also an excellent pick relative to his draft position.
They’ve also been fantastic with the interior OL. LDT was a great pick, Zach Fulton and Nick Allegretti were great picks relative to their draft position, Creed and Trey were grand slams.
The Packers have been the best team in the league developing any and every offensive player. I’m extremely jealous of that staff. Jordan Love, almost any WR they draft is solid at worst, Tucker Kraft is an awesome TE. They’re just awesome there.
They do make their fair share of mistakes though. Josh Myers over Creed Humphrey never made sense to me. Jordan Morgan never made sense and he’s been as bad as Kingsley.
Seems like our staff can’t figure out tackle. They can get everything down but that position. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RunKC:
Yes if only Veach or any GM can just get a first ballot HOF TE and first ballot HOF WR in rds 3 and 5 :-)
This is stupid. I'm just pointing out that players are there to be had even in later rounds regardless of where you're drafting. Using the whole "they draft at the end of rounds" argument makes no sense after the first round. It's just an excuse. After that, all the players are up for grabs like DJ has pointed out.
And we still have drafted plenty of good players and acquired other good players. With the best QB in football, we shouldn't be talking about Tyreek, Mitchell Schwartz, or Eric Fisher still. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RunKC:
Yes if only Veach or any GM can just get a first ballot HOF TE and first ballot HOF WR in rds 3 and 5 :-)
The point being that these weren't shocking draft picks.
I don't know who peruses the draft thread, but rest assured that guys like Achane and Raimann has loud backers over there. Obviously Pickens as well. These are guys who were people that were highly regarded by us normies over there.
Meanwhile Cook, a guy who projected as a box safety, was a strange pick from the instant it was made. The Moore Wars are well established.
I'm not killing him for not grabbing Kittle, for instance. And he deserves credit for a guy like Snead that many of us were NOT on.
But let's not act like these would've been off the wall picks out there. These are guys who looked at the time like they would've been damn good picks and we just didn't make 'em...
I didn't go discussing the best guys out of each 'missed' spot - just the ones where I know we had extensive conversations about them in the draft forum and they had pretty loud backers. [Reply]
I don’t research NFC teams much but holy shit. 3 of the 5 OL starters in GB were drafted in the 2022 draft class including their bookend tackles. That’s extremely impressive.
They did get carpet bombed by a depleted Aidan Hutchinson-less Lions team though. It was so bad that they could only have Love throw 20 passes due to pressure.
Too bad they can’t draft and develop defensive players worth a damn where we have been really good there the last few years. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
The point being that these weren't shocking draft picks.
I don't know who peruses the draft thread, but rest assured that guys like Achane and Raimann has loud backers over there. Obviously Pickens as well. These are guys who were people that were highly regarded by us normies over there.
Meanwhile Cook, a guy who projected as a box safety, was a strange pick from the instant it was made. The Moore Wars are well established.
I'm not killing him for not grabbing Kittle, for instance. And he deserves credit for a guy like Snead that many of us were NOT on.
But let's not act like these would've been off the wall picks out there. These are guys who looked at the time like they would've been damn good picks and we just didn't make 'em...
I didn't go discussing the best guys out of each 'missed' spot - just the ones where I know we had extensive conversations about them in the draft forum and they had pretty loud backers.
I get it but again has this staff not been finding these guys?
Worthy
Rice
Creed
Trey
Pacheco
Gray
These are good players that were not drafted very early. They’ve struggled finding a tackle unfortunately but everywhere else on offense has been pretty smooth sailing.
Kingsley should probably be TBD though. I think it’s a little early to throw him out completely as a starter at G or T [Reply]
Originally Posted by -King-:
This is stupid. I'm just pointing out that players are there to be had even in later rounds regardless of where you're drafting. Using the whole "they draft at the end of rounds" argument makes no sense after the first round. It's just an excuse. After that, all the players are up for grabs like DJ has pointed out.
And we still have drafted plenty of good players and acquired other good players. With the best QB in football, we shouldn't be talking about Tyreek, Mitchell Schwartz, or Eric Fisher still.
Drafting players and projecting how they are going to do is not always cut and dried, The later you draft the higher the error rate. Veech is a very good GM but even the best are going to miss if they are picking later in the draft. OT is even harder to hit on you need a extremely atheletic individual that is 320+ hard to find outside the first 1/2 of the first round. They also take a while to develop, a lot of the OT take until their 25 to really hit their full potentioal. Again tough when your in the win now mode.
Also, as good as Mahomes is he is very tough on the tackles. He does not take consistent drops, he moves around a ton. Tackles do not know where he will be. [Reply]
