Originally Posted by Bearcat:
Yeah so call the Broncos and Raiders losses as those were pretty damn lucky... and then throw in the Falcons with the missed DPI in the end zone.
You could pick other close games, but then it gets kind of dumb because the Chiefs win a ton of close games... but those are definitely extreme.
Originally Posted by MVChiefFan:
What is the quote? ‘The first time someone shows you who they are, believe them.’ What in recent Chiefs history says that they’re NOT going to ramp it up in the playoffs and win the Super Bowl? We saw how this played out last year. We are having a better season, record wise, and people still want to act like we’re frauds. Sure, we may get bounced in the playoffs. But, at this point, why in the hell would anyone doubt us?
I don't think anyone is acting like we're frauds. They are doubting us because of the issues we have as a team and because we got extremely lucky to win 3 of those 11 times. If we're sitting at 8-4, we're fighting for the division, sitting as a potential 5-7 seed in the playoffs and everyone is singing a different tune.
The issues are pretty clear. We can't cover very well while simultaneously not getting to the QB on defense, which means we're not going to stop the top QBs/offenses very well come playoffs unless we can get better production there.
We are sucking ass at protecting our own QB which means that no matter how much better his weapons might be, he isn't getting it to them. We're relying on the run game more than ever to support the offense and help shrink the time our defense is on the field, which we all know is not a recipe for success in the playoffs as a rule.
There are questions. Dismissing them as if they don't matter is stupid. Believing we can overcome them based on history is warranted but a few chips might have to fall the right way going forward, the most important of which is DJ Humphries being a significant improvement at LT. The next most important thing might be Omenihu returning and providing a significant return.
If Pat has to go into the playoffs running for his life behind Wanya Morris, I'm going to be really concerned. If we don't get more pressure on QBs and better coverage on the back end, especially from our safeties/nickle, I'm concerned. We're hoping for a couple of guys coming off of injury to be the saviors on those fronts. That's a tall order, but maybe the stars will align. [Reply]
Originally Posted by kccrow:
I don't think anyone is acting like we're frauds. They are doubting us because of the issues we have as a team and because we got extremely lucky to win 3 of those 11 times. If we're sitting at 8-4, we're fighting for the division, sitting as a potential 5-7 seed in the playoffs and everyone is singing a different tune.
The issues are pretty clear. We can't cover very well while simultaneously not getting to the QB on defense, which means we're not going to stop the top QBs/offenses very well come playoffs unless we can get better production there.
We are sucking ass at protecting our own QB which means that no matter how much better his weapons might be, he isn't getting it to them. We're relying on the run game more than ever to support the offense and help shrink the time our defense is on the field, which we all know is not a recipe for success in the playoffs as a rule.
There are questions. Dismissing them as if they don't matter is stupid. Believing we can overcome them based on history is warranted but a few chips might have to fall the right way going forward, the most important of which is DJ Humphries being a significant improvement at LT. The next most important thing might be Omenihu returning and providing a significant return.
If Pat has to go into the playoffs running for his life behind Wanya Morris, I'm going to be really concerned. If we don't get more pressure on QBs and better coverage on the back end, especially from our safeties/nickle, I'm concerned. We're hoping for a couple of guys coming off of injury to be the saviors on those fronts. That's a tall order, but maybe the stars will align.
Rep for facts. Last season, the issue was clear: our WRs sucked. Everything else was at least okay, and the defense/STs were great.
This year, it's not the WRs (though the injuries to both Hollywood and Rice were huge), but we have serious issues at OT and a problem at RG, we can't rush the passer, we can't cover TEs, and our secondary is giving up a lot more big plays. We've endured a rash of injuries unprecedented in the Mahome's' era. Then to top it off, Mahomes has not been close to his MVP-level self once this season.
Bottom line, there's a lot more problems this year than last, and that's more concerning. And we're trying to do the impossible, threepeat. In the face of all of that, it just feels like a bigger, tougher mountain to climb. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Megatron96:
Rep for facts. Last season, the issue was clear: our WRs sucked. Everything else was at least okay, and the defense/STs were great.
We lost six games. Putting it down to just the receivers is way too simplistic
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This year, it's not the WRs (though the injuries to both Hollywood and Rice were huge), but we have serious issues at OT and a problem at RG, we can't rush the passer, we can't cover TEs, and our secondary is giving up a lot more big plays. We've endured a rash of injuries unprecedented in the Mahome's' era.
1. We have a proven LT about to step in
2. That RG has proven himself on the biggest stage. Mentioning him is like mentioning Mahomes playing poorly. What's the point?
3. We just got three sacks and our second best rusher has returned.
4. The issue has beeb mainly Johnson giving up big plays. He's been benched now
5. Good TE's get their's. The average TE's have not hurt KC
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Then to top it off, Mahomes has not been close to his MVP-level self once this season.
He's been very good since Hopkins arrived.
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Bottom line, there's a lot more problems this year than last, and that's more concerning. And we're trying to do the impossible, threepeat. In the face of all of that, it just feels like a bigger, tougher mountain to climb.
Imo this is a silly take. Last year WE LOST FIVE IN OUT GAMES!!...got embarrassed by Denver, embarrassed by the Raiders, out fought at Greenbay and gave away games vs the Lions and Eagles. How the hell is this year "worse"?? Smh [Reply]
Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger:
We lost six games. Putting it down to just the receivers is way too simplistic
1. We have a proven LT about to step in
2. That RG has proven himself on the biggest stage. Mentioning him is like mentioning Mahomes playing poorly. What's the point?
3. We just got three sacks and our second best rusher has returned.
4. The issue has beeb mainly Johnson giving up big plays. He's been benched now
5. Good TE's get their's. The average TE's have not hurt KC
He's been very good since Hopkins arrived.
Imo this is a silly take. Last year WE LOST FIVE IN OUT GAMES!!...got embarrassed by Denver, embarrassed by the Raiders, out fought at Greenbay and gave away games vs the Lions and Eagles. How the hell is this year "worse"?? Smh
Not going through all of this again.
You're talking about final results, I'm talking about efficiency/performance, again. You want to believe that the team is better than last season, and ignore the fact that we're giving up more points and more chunk plays and the fact that Pat even with DHop is still struggling, go right ahead.
And Trey has been struggling, Schwartz and Baldinger have pointed it out.
My point is that there are more issues this year, starting with injuries, when we were largely injury-free last year. OL performance is worse. The defense is giving up about 3-4 points more, etc.
again, you want to pretend those aren't happening, whatever. I can only bring the donkey to water, I can't make you drink it. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Megatron96:
Not going through all of this again.
You're talking about final results, I'm talking about efficiency/performance, again. You want to believe that the team is better than last season, and ignore the fact that we're giving up more points and more chunk plays and the fact that Pat even with DHop is still struggling, go right ahead.
LOL so the final result doesn't matter because YOU want everything to be perfect and act like mistakes and some bad performances aren't part and parcel of a normal season? Smh :-) . And you're wrong about Pat struggling since Hop arrived. 13 td's, just 3 ints, good passer rating and more yards simply don't agree with your notion.
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And Trey has been struggling, Schwartz and Baldinger have pointed it out.
Actually they've pointed out how much Taylor had made Smith's job so much harder. Acting like "Smith is a problem" is just silly to me. He's far from a big problem imo.
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My point is that there are more issues this year, starting with injuries, when we were largely injury-free last year. OL performance is worse. The defense is giving up about 3-4 points more, etc.
The biggest "issue" a team can have is LOSING games. Therefore suggesting this team is worse this season is crazy. Last year we couldn't score and at times the defense had rough games against Denver and Greenbay. So let's be realistic about what happened.
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again, you want to pretend those aren't happening, whatever. I can only bring the donkey to water, I can't make you drink it.
I don't need to pretend about anything. Last regular season this team was in the middle of losing 5 in 8 games at this time last year. If you think that was great then OK buddy :-) [Reply]
Originally Posted by Megatron96:
Not going through all of this again.
You're talking about final results, I'm talking about efficiency/performance, again. You want to believe that the team is better than last season, and ignore the fact that we're giving up more points and more chunk plays and the fact that Pat even with DHop is still struggling, go right ahead.
And Trey has been struggling, Schwartz and Baldinger have pointed it out.
My point is that there are more issues this year, starting with injuries, when we were largely injury-free last year. OL performance is worse. The defense is giving up about 3-4 points more, etc.
again, you want to pretend those aren't happening, whatever. I can only bring the donkey to water, I can't make you drink it.
2.3 more ppg than this point last season... they had also on average played worse offenses (17th) versus this season it's 15. Four top 10 offenses so far this season to 3 at this point last season. Seven offenses that were 20th or worse last season, three so far this season.
There's probably some recency bias when they give up 27 to the Panthers and 30 to the Bills, but people weren't real kind to them when they had just given up 27 to the Packers this time last year and 24 in Denver. [Reply]
Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger:
LOL so the final result doesn't matter because YOU want everything to be perfect and act like mistakes and some bad performances aren't part and parcel of a normal season? Smh :-) . And you're wrong about Pat struggling since Hop arrived. 13 td's, just 3 ints, good passer rating and more yards simply don't agree with your notion.
Actually they've pointed out how much Taylor had made Smith's job so much harder. Acting like "Smith is a problem" is just silly to me. He's far from a big problem imo.
The biggest "issue" a team can have is LOSING games. Therefore suggesting this team is worse this season is crazy. Last year we couldn't score and at times the defense had rough games against Denver and Greenbay. So let's be realistic about what happened.
I don't need to pretend about anything. Last regular season this team in the middle of losing 5 in 8 games. If you think that was great then OK buddy :-)
I didn't say last season was great. I said there were fewer problems to overcome. The defense was elite last season; we rode their performances all season while the offense struggled. This season the defense isn't as good. We allowed a beat-up hamstrung TB to come into Arrowhead and score 17 2nd half points to tie it up. thank God they were sporting the 29th ranked defense at the time so Pat could just drive it down for a TD so we could escape with that W.
And we won vs. DEN because of STs, basically a DEN blocker was shitty at his job that Toub saw on film. Otherwise, we lose that game, because when we needed it, the defense couldn't stop Bo Pix and the DEN offense from moving the ball all the way down inside our 20-yd line or whatever.
Then we let CAR score 27 on us. The 31st ranked offense at the time, scoring less than 20 points/gm, until we showed up.
Then we stumble bass-ackwards into a W vs. LVR because their rookie C snapped the ball early but the refs decide the flag was for illegal motion. So we win on a technicality, because again they were in FG range. Against a 2-9 team with AOC leading them at QB.
So, again, while the record suggests we're dominant, the actual performances do not agree. Our defense isn't as dominant as it was last season, period. They aren't bad/terrible, but they aren't as solid. Shocking, since we lost Sneed and Gay, and then Watson got hurt early in the season.
And while Pat has been better since DHop arrived, let's not pretend he's been great. His PR since DHop showed up has only risen to around 90. So slightly better than average. And even with DHop, Pat has shown some poor judgement, not even including that throw into triple coverage. HE's just gotten away with it more recently than he did early in the season.
But whatever. Believe whatever you want to believe. Fr the record, I hope I'm wrong about this team this season. I hated being right about them last season. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Megatron96:
I didn't say last season was great. I said there were fewer problems to overcome. The defense was elite last season; we rode their performances all season while the offense struggled. This season the defense isn't as good. We allowed a beat-up hamstrung TB to come into Arrowhead and score 17 2nd half points to tie it up. thank God they were sporting the 29th ranked defense at the time so Pat could just drive it down for a TD so we could escape with that W.
When a team loses five out of eight games, and get embarrassed multiple times, I simply cannot agree that there were less problems to overcome. Last season's defense let ZACH WILSON look good. Got lit up by Russell Wilson's Denver who had one of the worst offenses that season. Let Jordan Love march up and down the field and even Bailey Zappe had a respectable day against us for a terrible Patriots team. But apparently you think that defense were the 85 Bears every week....
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And we won vs. DEN because of STs, basically a DEN blocker was shitty at his job that Toub saw on film. Otherwise, we lose that game, because when we needed it, the defense couldn't stop Bo Pix and the DEN offense from moving the ball all the way down inside our 20-yd line or whatever.
Lol Denver scored a massive FOURTEEN POINTS, were given a short field on their last drive and were shut out in three of the four quarters but you want to blame the defense? :-)
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Then we let CAR score 27 on us. The 31st ranked offense at the time, scoring less than 20 points/gm, until we showed up.
See Zach Wilson and Bailey Zappe comment above. Last year's defense let bad QB's get points too. And btw Car were held to field goals for the majority of the game.
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Then we stumble bass-ackwards into a W vs. LVR because their rookie C snapped the ball early but the refs decide the flag was for illegal motion. So we win on a technicality, because again they were in FG range. Against a 2-9 team with AOC leading them at QB.
Last season WE LOST AT HOME TO THEM in embarrassing fashion. But apparently winning this time is worse right?
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So, again, while the record suggests we're dominant, the actual performances do not agree. Our defense isn't as dominant as it was last season, period. They aren't bad/terrible, but they aren't as solid. Shocking, since we lost Sneed and Gay, and then Watson got hurt early in the season.
As stated by Bearcat above. This defense has faced tougher opposition than it did last year. And still the points difference is only 2 points worse. Defenses very rarely stay great two years in a row. The Browns, Ravens and Niners are showing you that in HD.
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And while Pat has been better since DHop arrived, let's not pretend he's been great. His PR since DHop showed up has only risen to around 90. So slightly better than average. And even with DHop, Pat has shown some poor judgement, not even including that throw into triple coverage. HE's just gotten away with it more recently than he did early in the season.
You said "he's struggled" and the facts disprove that claim. Now all I see is you making excuses tbh.
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But whatever. Believe whatever you want to believe. Fr the record, I hope I'm wrong about this team this season. I hated being right about them last season.
Right how? Did you predict we'd win the superbowl? :-) [Reply]
