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Nzoner's Game Room>Chris Jones and his 15+ sacks
Balto 12:51 PM 09-22-2023
Jones got his small bonus.

Week 1: 0
Week 2: 1.5
Week 3: 1.0
Week 4: 1.0
Week 5: 1.0
Week 6: 1.0
Week 7: 0
Week 8: 0
Week 9: 0
Week 10: BYE
Week 11: 2
Week 12: 0
Week 13: 0
Week 14: 0
Week 15: 0
Week 16: 1
Week 17: 1
Week 18: 1

Total: 10.5 Sacks
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TomBarndtsTwin 11:20 AM 12-06-2023
Originally Posted by tredadda:
Is that different than last year? Last year he was the best DT in football. Now he’s holding up against double teams.
This.

Let's not act like CJ from 2022 is the same player as CJ this year.

He's gone from sack guy dominating games to 'taking up double teams'.

He's had a COUPLE games this year where he looked like the CJ from last year, but the consistency is not there.

Hope he manages to 'Frank Clark' in the playoffs. Not expecting much.


Time to move on . . . .
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O.city 12:52 PM 12-06-2023
I'm not bandaiding this thing.

I want Aiyuk and he'll be Justin Jefferson here. Write that in stone.
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LoneWolf 01:17 PM 12-06-2023
Originally Posted by O.city:
I'm not bandaiding this thing.

I want Aiyuk and he'll be Justin Jefferson here. Write that in stone.
Nobody gives a fuck what you want. Giving up a first round pick (while taking away the possibility of drafting great, young talent) while also giving Aiyuk a huge contract is not how teams paying an MVP quarterback stay competitive. Go jack off and play Madden. The rest of us will talk about options that make sense for the long-term excellence of the franchise.
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O.city 01:21 PM 12-06-2023
Originally Posted by LoneWolf:
Nobody gives a **** what you want. Giving up a first round pick (while taking away the possibility of drafting great, young talent) while also giving Aiyuk a huge contract is not how teams paying an MVP quarterback stay competitive. Go jack off and play Madden. The rest of us will talk about options that make sense for the long-term excellence of the franchise.
You seem mad.
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LoneWolf 01:40 PM 12-06-2023
Originally Posted by O.city:
You seem mad.
:-)
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Chief Pagan 02:16 PM 12-06-2023
Originally Posted by tredadda:
Jones has always been what he is, a good player with good seasons who has an occasional elite season. Unfortunately there is no way of knowing which you will get. He wants to be paid for his occasional elite seasons while it looks like Veach wants to pay him for his good seasons.
If you don't get an elite season in a contract year, how many elite seasons do you think you will get when he he is 30+ and has a large guaranteed contract?
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Chiefnj2 03:40 PM 12-06-2023
People are confusing his overall impact with sack numbers. Notwithstanding the crap game last week, without Jones , the DL would suck.
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Balto 04:15 PM 12-06-2023
I think Veach has to make cap room to tag him and pair our 1st to move up in the draft to get a WR.

Jones+1st should be good enough to get us a top 3 WR in the draft!
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DJ's left nut 04:25 PM 12-06-2023
Originally Posted by Balto:
I think Veach has to make cap room to tag him and pair our 1st to move up in the draft to get a WR.

Jones+1st should be good enough to get us a top 3 WR in the draft!
Probably need to shell game that and even then it's going to be tough.

You're probably not going to find a team that's in the top 10-15 picks (for a top 3 WR) who also wants to take on a 30 yr old DT and a massive contract. That's a limited pool to deal in.

Now maybe you can get him dealt for a pick and package that pick with our 1, but I haven't seen anything from him this year to suggest he'll net a 1st in trade. At this point you're looking at a mid-2nd as a more likely possibility.

A late 1st and mid 2nd isn't getting you into the top 10.

Jones just hasn't had the year he needed to have to carry the value we hoped he would. Not when combined with his likely contract demands.

This feels more like a Von Miller for a 2nd and 3rd situation (and even that was for a rental and no long-term cap obligations). I don't see us getting a haul at this point. It just doesn't seem likely that there's surplus value in his contract.
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raybec 4 04:39 PM 12-06-2023
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Probably need to shell game that and even then it's going to be tough.

You're probably not going to find a team that's in the top 10-15 picks (for a top 3 WR) who also wants to take on a 30 yr old DT and a massive contract. That's a limited pool to deal in.

Now maybe you can get him dealt for a pick and package that pick with our 1, but I haven't seen anything from him this year to suggest he'll net a 1st in trade. At this point you're looking at a mid-2nd as a more likely possibility.

A late 1st and mid 2nd isn't getting you into the top 10.

Jones just hasn't had the year he needed to have to carry the value we hoped he would. Not when combined with his likely contract demands.

This feels more like a Von Miller for a 2nd and 3rd situation (and even that was for a rental and no long-term cap obligations). I don't see us getting a haul at this point. It just doesn't seem likely that there's surplus value in his contract.
Honestly at this point all they're getting in return is a comp pick.
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dlphg9 05:01 PM 12-06-2023
Originally Posted by tredadda:
Jones has always been what he is, a good player with good seasons who has an occasional elite season. Unfortunately there is no way of knowing which you will get. He wants to be paid for his occasional elite seasons while it looks like Veach wants to pay him for his good seasons.
He's been an elite player that puts up elite seasons. If not for Aaron Donald being in the league the same time as him and being one of the best defensive players of all time, then Jones would be the best DT pretty much every year of his career. Even with Aaron Donald being around Jones should have 3 1st Team APs.
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BWillie 05:06 PM 12-06-2023
Originally Posted by LoneWolf:
Nobody gives a fuck what you want. Giving up a first round pick (while taking away the possibility of drafting great, young talent) while also giving Aiyuk a huge contract is not how teams paying an MVP quarterback stay competitive. Go jack off and play Madden. The rest of us will talk about options that make sense for the long-term excellence of the franchise.
It is amazing that you think paying someone like Aiyuk would make us not as good. This team is missing one thing and one thing only. A WR like Aiyuk. Its cost us at least...AT LEAST 3 losses.
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Wisconsin_Chief 05:11 PM 12-06-2023
He’s going to erupt against the Bills. If he has fewer than 2 sacks I’ll be shocked.
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LoneWolf 05:56 PM 12-06-2023
Originally Posted by BWillie:
It is amazing that you think paying someone like Aiyuk would make us not as good. This team is missing one thing and one thing only. A WR like Aiyuk. Its cost us at least...AT LEAST 3 losses.
You’re talking about trading a first round pick and paying a guy a huge salary. This team is going to need a DT next season and the ability to continue to acquire cheap, young talent. Your idea is stupid and shortsighted.
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cmh6476 08:25 PM 12-06-2023
Do postseason sacks count?
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