Originally Posted by JPH83:
I was referring to Juju not Moore, my point was just that as rank average as Juju is he probably has a higher floor than ALL of those bottom roster WR turds. Certainly Moore, yep, would have no problem seeing him cut.
Oh. Yeah - sure.
I mean, not really. His floor is that he runs 8 routes in week one, his knee swells up and he's "Day-to-Day with a Knee" for the rest of the season.
But yeah, if he can get you as many as 500 snaps this year, his floor is substantially higher than the rest of these bottom of the roster bums.
But...do we really care about floor that much? I'm not so sure that we should. Then again, I'd have said that last season as well and the floor essentially dropped out of the WR room. So I might be a little too reckless in that regard. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
2 years in with no discernible development isn't 'early' for a mid/late 2nd rounder, IMO.
He isn't improving. That's the problem.
And if FAU comes into camp next season and STILL can't get off the ball, but BJ Thompson looks recovered and better than him, it wouldn't 'early' to move off FAU next season either.
They have to show something. Anything. And when a guy like Moore simply doesn't, it's time to move on. The 53rd player on the worst roster in football is still an athletic marvel; a superstar at every previous level. There are guys on practice squads throughout the league who have every bit the physical toolbox that Moore has.
Go get one of 'em and see if he can actually get better over a season. Because Moore's had 2 bites at the apple now and simply hasn't.
I know it's a Juju thread, but if a 24 year old who's about 20lbs too light with a heart issue ends up better than FAU, I will be...surprised. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
2 years in with no discernible development isn't 'early' for a mid/late 2nd rounder, IMO.
He isn't improving. That's the problem.
And if FAU comes into camp next season and STILL can't get off the ball, but BJ Thompson looks recovered and better than him, it wouldn't 'early' to move off FAU next season either.
They have to show something. Anything. And when a guy like Moore simply doesn't, it's time to move on. The 53rd player on the worst roster in football is still an athletic marvel; a superstar at every previous level. There are guys on practice squads throughout the league who have every bit the physical toolbox that Moore has.
Go get one of 'em and see if he can actually get better over a season. Because Moore's had 2 bites at the apple now and simply hasn't.
Last year I think the board was mostly in agreement on Skyy. Let him have one more camp and if he didn't show another gear move on. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BossChief:
In an effort to 3 peat and make offensive history, I’m completely ok replacing a young WR with “hopeful potential that hasn’t done anything with opportunities” with a guy that had 1000 yards for us a year ago.
As everyone should.
And yet you'd rather have aids than bring back MVS who made crucial plays throughout both playoff runs and was of vital importance in the AFC Championship game against the Bengals? Doesn't make sense to me. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Oh. Yeah - sure.
I mean, not really. His floor is that he runs 8 routes in week one, his knee swells up and he's "Day-to-Day with a Knee" for the rest of the season.
But yeah, if he can get you as many as 500 snaps this year, his floor is substantially higher than the rest of these bottom of the roster bums.
But...do we really care about floor that much? I'm not so sure that we should. Then again, I'd have said that last season as well and the floor essentially dropped out of the WR room. So I might be a little too reckless in that regard.
This is true, but does a gimpy knee guy who's only making 8 snaps get past the medical team? Possible. You're probably right re the floor, as I say, I was/am still pulling for Toney, but given Toney actively lost us games, if Juju's floor is simply not playing, it may be a higher one.
I'd probably be willing to be a little reckless too to be honest. But if we get a dependable guy who contributes when someone gets banged up, I'll be mighty grateful I'm not in charge of this roster [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Moore gets lost on inside screens. He was responsible for at least 3 INTs from Mahomes last season, IMO (which, while less spectacular than the deflections from Toney, are no less interceptiony) and he blocks when he feels like it.
Is he demonstrably worse than any of those guys in any specific area? No - but unlike those guys, he also isn't good at anything. I mean NOTHING. Toney has elite short-area quickness and can legitimately play the Z if called upon. Ross can do jump all and red zone work. Hell, even Washington is a great ball tracker.
In the areas he's bad, he may not be worse than the guys we want to see ahead of him. But he doesn't have any corresponding strengths and each of them do.
He flat out does not belong on an NFL roster. This is a guy who's saved by his draft slot (after being overdrafted at that) and nothing more. It's just bad work by the organization if they keep him, IMO.
That's the only reason he's still on the roster. [Reply]
Here’s why i love adding juju. The eagles game. Do you remember the way the eagles flat out didn’t guard Justin Watson? Even in doing that he was very inconsistent that game. we tried to run Toney underneath and passes bounced off his hands. And we tried skyy who keeps running to the wrong spots. As much as we upgraded our wr room this was the one area I was a little shaky about. A guy who can reliably run short routes and a checkdown option. The offense is too ridiculous right now to not open juju up even with his broken knees. It was the reason I was kind of intrigued by Tyler Boyd although I didn’t want to afford him.
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Oh. Yeah - sure.
I mean, not really. His floor is that he runs 8 routes in week one, his knee swells up and he's "Day-to-Day with a Knee" for the rest of the season.
But yeah, if he can get you as many as 500 snaps this year, his floor is substantially higher than the rest of these bottom of the roster bums.
But...do we really care about floor that much? I'm not so sure that we should. Then again, I'd have said that last season as well and the floor essentially dropped out of the WR room. So I might be a little too reckless in that regard.
I think the team is also preparing to get fucked by the Rice situation.
They aren’t worried about him getting suspended in September. I bet they are worried about him getting suspended in January/february. If that happens (and it may) having another starting quality WR will be huge in relation to our chances of the three peat. [Reply]
Originally Posted by JPH83:
This is true, but does a gimpy knee guy who's only making 8 snaps get past the medical team? Possible. You're probably right re the floor, as I say, I was/am still pulling for Toney, but given Toney actively lost us games, if Juju's floor is simply not playing, it may be a higher one.
I'd probably be willing to be a little reckless too to be honest. But if we get a dependable guy who contributes when someone gets banged up, I'll be mighty grateful I'm not in charge of this roster
He had a concussion and ankle injury last year with the Pats. It was not all knee issues. If 15 & Reid say yes thats all I need to know. KC med staff is top notch. They cleared him so he should be an asset. Last few years KC has had mostly good luck in the injury department. Need depth and the ability to rest guys all season. Also allows some guys to get extra time to come back from injury. This is three peat time. May be the only chance KC gets at this. Go with proven vets vs next season potential. Got to be all in this season! [Reply]
Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch:
And yet you'd rather have aids than bring back MVS who made crucial plays throughout both playoff runs and was of vital importance in the AFC Championship game against the Bengals? Doesn't make sense to me.
MVS was complete trash outside of MAYBE a handful of games in 2 years.
I want to part of him in KC for the same reasons I don’t want Frank Clark back to help at DE. [Reply]
Remember when we lost SB55 bc of Mahomes being the most pressured QB in SB history and Veach proceeded to go full on tunnel vision autistic wonder boy by absolutely hammering the OL?
Orlando Brown Jr, Joe Thuney, Kyle Long. Then drafted Creed Humphrey and Trey Smith? And if that wasn’t enough he signed Austin Blythe as another veteran backup.
Yeah it feels like that at WR this offseason.
2 of the most embarrassing moments in Mahomes career were SB55 and having a full on mental breakdown on national tv bc he wanted to kill Kadarius Toney.
It makes sense that Veach is layering insurance policies and bringing in guys Mahomes trusts. MVS and Toney tend to have that affect [Reply]
Nate Taylor is right - they could use a vet to stabilize that group. Between injuries and performance, Williams, Watson and Joseph have struggled. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RunKC:
Remember when we lost SB55 bc of Mahomes being the most pressured QB in SB history and Veach proceeded to go full on tunnel vision autistic wonder boy by absolutely hammering the OL?
Orlando Brown Jr, Joe Thuney, Kyle Long. Then drafted Creed Humphrey and Trey Smith? And if that wasn’t enough he signed Austin Blythe as another veteran backup.
Yeah it feels like that at WR this offseason.
2 of the most embarrassing moments in Mahomes career were SB55 and having a full on mental breakdown on national tv bc he wanted to kill Kadarius Toney.
It makes sense that Veach is layering insurance policies and bringing in guys Mahomes trusts. MVS and Toney tend to have that affect
Mahomes played better in SB 55 than the 2nd half of the Bengals playoff game one season later. [Reply]