- Ranked 2nd among charted prospects in success rate vs. man (75%) and press coverage (75.7%) - Led all prospects in success rate vs. zone coverage (88.1%) - He can play inside and outsidehttps://t.co/HbifB61JlJpic.twitter.com/HYsV8rlAzF
Originally Posted by Shoes:
The NFL is a sink or swim league, I understand that Skyy comes from the MAC which isn't going to have the same game speed or coaching as the SEC but you don't have to go very far to show other small school receivers who showed a lot more than Skyy has early on in their careers. This doesn't mean that Skyy is a bust, doesn't mean that he can't be a valuable receiver for the Chiefs but it is fair to say that the start of his career has been underwhelming. He hasn't really flashed his talent much at all, and unfortunately he has been a train wreck returning punts (I blame the coaching staff for square peg round hole).
Diontae Johnson from Toledo, Cooper Kupp from Eastern Washington, Darnell Mooney from Tulane are all examples of small school receivers who flashed and earned playing time in their rookie seasons.
There is still a ton of runway on Moore's career for him to get going, but it's not unfair to say that Skyy has been a little disappointing. I think for me personally, it would go a long way if he flashed a bit especially in the redzone where I think the Chiefs have a bit of a deficiency. Kelce is a monster, Juju and Fortson are formidable but Hardman and MVS lose a little bit of their effectiveness when we can't take the top off. I think Moore can shine in the redzone as the season goes on. Moore doesn't need to have a monster season but the attributes that led him to be drafted in the second round have to shine here and there.
We can't compare Skyy's production to those other WR's because those other guys were on teams that had no one else. Skyy is blocked and it didn't matter how good he looked in practice or in his very limited opportunities to play, he was never going to get more than 30% of the snaps in any game unless someone got injured.
Diontae Johnson was on a team that had JJSS, who missed 4 games, and James Washington was the leading receiver with 735 yds. No other WR had over 72 yds.
Cooper Kupp only had to fight for snaps with Robert Woods, who missed 4 games, and Sammy Watkins. No other WR had over 104 yds.
Darnell Mooney had Allen Robinson and Anthony Miller as the only other WR that were over 132 yds receiving.
No rookie WR for an Andy Reid team is going to be taking snaps from veteran WR that are playing even just average. Moore has 3 of those guys in front of him right now. He's the number 4 WR on this team and that was never going to change barring injury. If we do have one of those 3 guys ahead if him miss a few games and he's still not producing much of anything, then yeah you could be disappointed.
Skyy Moore's season is next year. That's when we will be able to judge him fairly and if he's not on the field next year, then that will be a huge sign that he's not good.
So I think to say he's been disappointing isn't fair at all when it comes to him being a WR (he's been God awful with punts). [Reply]
Remember how Mitch Holthus reminded us constantly of Dustin Colquitt being left-footed and how that would put a weird spin on the ball that would screw up returners from time to time if they weren't careful?
This most recent Skyy punt fumble was... some kind of weird kick. It was almost like it hit an imaginary brick wall and dropped like a rock too far in front of where Moore was judging it to go.
What I'm saying is we need to bring back Dustin Colquitt so our returners can get familiar with those weird types of kicks and then they won't screw up in a game!
Originally Posted by RunKC:
Very difficult thing to do. Looking way up for the ball, then back down at players coming to hit you. That’s not counting conditions like wind, sun, cold etc.
It’s not an easy job, especially for a rookie who rarely if ever did it in college. Best way to learn is to get game experience
You don't need a specialized punt returner. That's just ridiculous. That's a waste of a roster spot. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RunKC:
They need to draft a returner. As in someone who did it a lot in college. They’ve got lots of day 3 picks. Use one of that player.
Skyy and Toney did not play that role hardly at all in college
Toney was all-sec as a returner his SR year. He averaged 12.6 yards per punt return and had a TD. [Reply]
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
Exactly. Maybe they rotate them game to game. That would be fine. But rotating them play to play is just absurd.
Honestly barring injuries he should not be returning any more punts this year. He will probably be fine doing it long term but I fear he will deal with confidence issues doing it. Plus we always run the risk he muffs another one at the wrong time potentially costing us another game. He can field punts in practice the rest of the season and take over next year if we lose Toney/Hardman. [Reply]
Originally Posted by -King-:
What? No they don't. There is literally no reason to draft a person just for punt returns on this team. Just get someone who can catch the ball and get Toub to stop telling them to be aggressive. There's literally no reason why our guys should be catching punts inside the 5-10 yard line the number of times they do.
Catch the ball, run upfield, don't try to do anything special. Use both hands CEH style to protect the ball if you have to. That's all we need. The offense will take it from there.
I would almost bet at the time they drafted Tyreek it was for specifically to return punts and kickoffs. [Reply]
Originally Posted by tredadda:
Honestly barring injuries he should not be returning any more punts this year. He will probably be fine doing it long term but I fear he will deal with confidence issues doing it. Plus we always run the risk he muffs another one at the wrong time potentially costing us another game. He can field punts in practice the rest of the season and take over next year if we lose Toney/Hardman.
Moore shouldn't be returning punts long term. The only reason he's doing it this year is because he's not playing much on offense, so they want to utilize him somehow.
Also Toney is here for 2 more years after this year at bare minimum and if he's what they hope he can be as a WR, then he's not going to be a returner very long either. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RunKC:
Almost like they drafted Tyreek Hill and Mecole Hardman with this in mind :-)
Yep they drafted him to be a returner.
Originally Posted by :
“He’s got world-class speed,” said area scout Ryne Nutt, who served as the lead scout on Hill. “He ran a 4.25. I was at his pro day and it was one of the better pro days I was at all year. The kid’s explosive, he’s fast-twitched; he can obviously run and he’s very good with the ball in his hands.” Nutt said
Chiefs special-teams coach Dave Toub compared Hill’s return skills to Atlanta return specialist Devin Hester.
“He’s probably the best returner I’ve done since I’ve been in the NFL — just elite explosiveness,” said Nutt, a seven-year NFL veteran scout.
Originally Posted by dirk digler:
I would almost bet at the time they drafted Tyreek it was for specifically to return punts and kickoffs.
Doubt it was strictly that. They had him doing WR and RB stuff in minicamp. They drafted him as being a playmaker.
And there's a difference between what was needed from our return teams back then and what we need now. You needed to be aggressive on returns back then because our offense needed that boost. Now we just need a guy to catch the punt and be smart about it. [Reply]
He’s maybe the 9th or 10th option on offense. Every other WR, every TE, and every RB are higher in the pecking order catching the ball than this worthless piece of trash. [Reply]
Originally Posted by OKchiefs:
Complete and absolute bust
He’s maybe the 9th or 10th option on offense. Every other WR, every TE, and every RB are higher in the pecking order catching the ball than this worthless piece of trash.
So far. His crisp routes against lesser competition tricked us [Reply]
