Originally Posted by staylor26:
The way the Chiefs handle that is what will allow them to be contenders for the entirety of Mahomes career as a Chief.
Your SB window with Jalen Hurts isn't 10 years like it is with Mahomes.
I dunno, we'll see how it goes. Philly fans say Roseman has been doing this crazy stuff for 10+ years and it has never really caught up with them.
I honestly don't even think it really caught up to the Saints or Bucs very much either. They both still have a lot of the same players on their roster, when one might expect them to be in such trouble with the salary cap that they would need to totally wipe out the roster. [Reply]
Originally Posted by kcbubb:
Hello? Tom Brady needed elite protection to be the best all time. The patriots invested heavily in their oline and got cheap free agents at WR & RB. They always prioritized protecting Brady. Just bc Mahomes needs a good oline doesn’t mean that he is not elite. Or maybe I misunderstood your point? Surely you aren’t saying that Mahomes isn’t elite bc he needs protection?
How did they invest heavily? It was a bunch of players from 1st rounders to undrafted players that they coached up and played. And then Tom made their jobs easier because he played within the scheme and timing off the offense, had elite pocket presence and ability to read defenses so the ball was out before any pressure got there. His last Superbowl there his line was a converter RT that they used at LT, a rookie 4th rounder in Thuney, an undrafted 4th year center, 4th year 4th round guard, and a 8th year 5th round RT.
Nothing we can't do. We just need to coach players up better and Mahomes needs to start making their jobs easier. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DRM08:
I dunno, we'll see how it goes. Philly fans say Roseman has been doing this crazy stuff for 10+ years and it has never really caught up with them.
I honestly don't even think it really caught up to the Saints or Bucs very much either. They both still have a lot of the same players on their roster, when one might expect them to be in such trouble with the salary cap that they would need to totally wipe out the roster.
Dude, they just paid Hurts like a couple years ago. Pretty sure the big cap years haven't even begun. Maybe stop taking anything Eagles fans say as gospel? Of course they want to believe they can do that forever. That's not reality though. [Reply]
Originally Posted by -King-:
How did they invest heavily? It was a bunch of players from 1st rounders to undrafted players that they coached up and played. And then Tom made their jobs easier because he played within the scheme and timing off the offense, had elite pocket presence and ability to read defenses so the ball was out before any pressure got there. His last Superbowl there his line was a converter RT that they used at LT, a rookie 4th rounder in Thuney, an undrafted 4th year center, 4th year 4th round guard, and a 8th year 5th round RT.
Nothing we can't do. We just need to coach players up better and Mahomes needs to start making their jobs easier.
And how about the earlier part of Brady's career? I found a 10+ year stretch with the same dude at Left Tackle. Followed by another 6 year stretch with the next guy in that spot. Mahomes has had 6 different LT's in the last 3 years. Even with that instability, you have 2 rings and a conference title. Pretty damn good in this circumstance. [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
He had an mvp season with obj and Wylie as his tackles and you’re saying this past year or two was substantially worse than that.
It’s an opinion for sure
This is so dumb man. 2022 and 2023 were not loaded offenses and we won back-to-back SB’s based in large part bc of clutch play from Mahomes.
This year was the worst roster he’s ever had. Rice/Hollywood/Pacheco out 90% of season, Justin Watson 2nd in WR snaps, old washed players making up the rest. We didn’t have a true LT until Humphries was signed and he played one game.
We were first on 3rd down offense, 9th in points per drive and had 7 game-winning drives. This team was absolute ass on offense for the most part and begged Mahomes to bail them out of it.
This years team doesn’t even make the playoffs with Alex Smith starting. Mahomes carried these fucking bums until we played a team that was so stacked that it was impossible [Reply]
Originally Posted by DRM08:
And how about the earlier part of Brady's career? I found a 10+ year stretch with the same dude at Left Tackle. Followed by another 6 year stretch with the next guy in that spot. Mahomes has had 6 different LT's in the last 3 years. Even with that instability, you have 2 rings and a conference title. Pretty damn good in this circumstance.
Well yeah, if you coach young players up, you get long term stability at a position. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RunKC:
This is so dumb man. 2022 and 2023 were not loaded offenses and we won back-to-back SB’s based in large part bc of clutch play from Mahomes.
This year was the worst roster he’s ever had. Rice/Hollywood/Pacheco out 90% of season, Justin Watson 2nd in WR snaps, old washed players making up the rest. We didn’t have a true LT until Humphries was signed and he played one game.
We were first on 3rd down offense, 9th in points per drive and had 7 game-winning drives. This team was absolute ass on offense for the most part and begged Mahomes to bail them out of it.
This years team doesn’t even make the playoffs with Alex Smith starting. Mahomes carried these ****ing bums until we played a team that was so stacked that it was impossible
2022 was one of the historically best overall offenses in history. Was it that much more talented than the last 2? [Reply]
Originally Posted by -King-:
Well yeah, if you coach young players up, you get long term stability at a position.
I would say Belichick's OL coach Scarnecchia was a lot better than Andy Heck. Coach Reid isn't gonna dump Coach Heck. The grass is not always greener on the other side of the fence with a replacement. It kind of falls on Veach to find a pretty solid player that won't need A+++ quality coaching like what Scarnecchia did in New England. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DRM08:
Or the team needs to do what other teams are doing. Void Years to stack the roster. Fighting with one arm tied behind your back. Other teams pay their QB's big money, big money receivers, big money RB's, big money OL, big money defense. Void Years all over the place. KC is damn near last in the league on Void Year usage.
They are paying their players the same as the Chiefs, just at different times. They have paid a league leading $60+million of dead cap to players who do not play for them anymore.
They were able to have success with void years bc they traded Carson Wentz for assets that were used to get AJ Brown, Devonta Smith, Jalen Carter and Cooper DeJean.
So when you say you want to implement the Eagles plan, that means you want to trade Mahomes for assets like the Eagles did with Wentz [Reply]
Well said. Mahomes has had issues but you’re right. Any qb would have had problems with the state or the availability of the offensive roster.
Originally Posted by RunKC:
This is so dumb man. 2022 and 2023 were not loaded offenses and we won back-to-back SB’s based in large part bc of clutch play from Mahomes.
This year was the worst roster he’s ever had. Rice/Hollywood/Pacheco out 90% of season, Justin Watson 2nd in WR snaps, old washed players making up the rest. We didn’t have a true LT until Humphries was signed and he played one game.
We were first on 3rd down offense, 9th in points per drive and had 7 game-winning drives. This team was absolute ass on offense for the most part and begged Mahomes to bail them out of it.
This years team doesn’t even make the playoffs with Alex Smith starting. Mahomes carried these ****ing bums until we played a team that was so stacked that it was impossible
Originally Posted by -King-:
How did they invest heavily? It was a bunch of players from 1st rounders to undrafted players that they coached up and played. And then Tom made their jobs easier because he played within the scheme and timing off the offense, had elite pocket presence and ability to read defenses so the ball was out before any pressure got there.
This worked against a Seahawks team that played man coverage and blitzed. The Eagles played zone the entire game and did not blitz one time. Not at all the same defense. That defense is designed to defend what Tom Brady did to the Seahawks.
No QB is having success when teams can get consistent historic pressure only rushing 4. We saw the Giants beat the shit out of Tom Brady in 2 SB’s utilizing that scheme and rarely blitzing. [Reply]
