The #Chiefs are hiring Steve Spagnuolo as their new defensive coordinator, sources say. The former #Giants DC and interim HC/#Rams HC began his NFL coaching career as an #Eagles assistant under Andy Reid. Now rejoins Big Red in KC.
Originally Posted by RunKC:
Tag and trade with 1 year left would mean a new deal for Watkins from his new team. Could also tag him the year after and trade.
If we need cap space after next season we will just walk away from Watkins and save 14 million. We don't need to trade him, and as mentioned, I doubt someone would be interested in that contract. The only people it costs money is Clark. Nothing to really be worried about. [Reply]
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
The other issue is that the GM can only do so much. He tried to do this exact thing with Berry by both bringing back Parker and bringing in Lucas.
It isn't his fault that Sutton wouldn't get Lucas on the field.
I agree.
Clearly, Sutton was not on the same page as Reid and Veach. [Reply]
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
Read what I said again. He WAS a run-stuffing DE that slid inside.
He never rushed the passer "without his hand in the dirt".
I never said he was a poor pass rusher. I said he'd never played standing up before.
You said “he isn’t a pass rusher” and called him a run stuffer. I don’t know how else I was suppose to interpret that. I think what you meant to say is he’s not a 3-4 OLB.
A fair amount of his pressures and sacks came from DE. [Reply]
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
The other issue is that the GM can only do so much. He tried to do this exact thing with Berry by both bringing back Parker and bringing in Lucas.
It isn't his fault that Sutton wouldn't get Lucas on the field.
Veach really got put into a shitty position last year.
I bet a he was as pissed off at Sutton as anyone. You had to think he was wanting Lucas and Ward to get on the field most of the season, especially after Lucas’ showing in the Jags game.
I bet he was venting to Andy about Sutton’s scheme taking forever to learn for new players.
It’s been mentioned multiple times that Spags scheme is simple for his players and he likes getting young players involved.
Originally Posted by staylor26:
You said “he isn’t a pass rusher” and called him a run stuffer. I don’t know how else I was suppose to interpret that. I think what you meant to say is he’s not a 3-4 OLB.
A fair amount of his pressures and sacks came from DE.
Again, I said he WAS a run stuffer. That's past tense and implies he's not that NOW, present tense.
In college, he played DE and DT, with his hand in the dirt. You can't just read what I wrote and ignore the fact that I literally said "with his hand in the dirt". [Reply]
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
Again, I said he WAS a run stuffer. That's past tense and implies he's not that NOW, present tense.
In college, he played DE and DT, with his hand in the dirt. You can't just read what I wrote and ignore the fact that I literally said "with his hand in the dirt".
I’m not ignoring anything, but since when do you have to be standing up to be a pass rusher?
You saying that about a guy that got drafted for his ability to get to the QB is confusing, sorry. [Reply]
Originally Posted by FringeNC:
I hope so, but Chris Simms on his podcast suggested that Spags' D was overly complicated.
Well, I like Simms a lot as a pundit.
That being said, it's funny; opinions on Spagnuolo's schemes are all over the place.
It's simple! It's too complicated! It's aggressive! It's bend, but don't break! Lots of man! lots of zone! He's too passive! He blitzes a lot!
It's literally who you talk to and which season you're talking about. That tells me that, to an extent, he's trying to do what he can with the talent at hand. That's an improvement over Sutton's rigidity at any rate. We'll see how that translates.
It can't be TOO complicated; if you look back, he starts first and second year players a fair amount of the time, so that's something. And people that have worked with and for him sing his praises as to communication with coaches and players. So, I remain somewhat optimistic that He can get this defense to middle of the pack quickly, in an ascending way, with a lot of young talent to develop. Middle of the pack in '19, upper third in '20.
then with the Mahomes contract, offense may have to give a little as Watkins type deals can't happen anymore, so defense ascending would be a good thing. [Reply]
Originally Posted by staylor26:
I’m not ignoring anything, but since when do you have to be standing up to be a pass rusher?
You saying that about a guy that got drafted for his ability to get to the QB is confusing, sorry.
Okay, let me draw it out in pictures so it's perfectly clear. :-)
Breeland Speaks in his first couple of seasons had a high TFL/sack ratio. From what I saw, he was very good at penetrating in the run game but needed work on his pass rush.
In his final season, they moved him around the line and he broke out. However, even in his final season, he played as a DOWN lineman. I used the term "hand in the dirt" as a descriptor, let me change that to "heads up right on a lineman". In other words, he was used to playing in a box and being engaged at the point of attack, beating linemen with strength and leverage.
He came to the Chiefs and the first thing they did was move him to OLB, where he no longer had "his hand in the dirt". Again, let me change the descriptor - they asked him to PLAY IN SPACE. They were expecting him to play with more speed and changing the way he could use his leverage because he had to close space between him and the lineman.
You're confusing my criticism of HOW the Chiefs used him to rush the passer as an indictment of his ability TO rush the passer. I never said he couldn't rush the passer and you completely read something into my statements I did not say.
Originally Posted by staylor26:
You got blasted because you fail to provide examples of FA/rookie corners that we missed on.
Also, you fail to acknowledge that we upgraded from Amerson, to Scandrick, to Ward, who played as well as anybody we could’ve signed or drafted those last 3 weeks. It clearly wasn’t lost on Veach that we had a hole at corner, hence us trying to sign Kyle Fuller also.
It’s easy to sit there and say they should’ve signed or drafted somebody. Last years free agent and rookie corner classes simply were not very good at all.
You are saying all this with hindsight because the FA and rookie class turned out to be not good. You dont know that going into it with 100 percent certainty.
I am arguing the attempt. They didnt even make an attempt in the draft or offseason until Training Camp when they realized the shit sandwich they made.
They signed Amerson and then let about 6 months go by until they saw him in preseason and said wow this guy really stinks and we have no other options. [Reply]
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
Okay, let me draw it out in pictures so it's perfectly clear. :-)
Breeland Speaks in his first couple of seasons had a high TFL/sack ratio. From what I saw, he was very good at penetrating in the run game but needed work on his pass rush.
In his final season, they moved him around the line and he broke out. However, even in his final season, he played as a DOWN lineman. I used the term "hand in the dirt" as a descriptor, let me change that to "heads up right on a lineman". In other words, he was used to playing in a box and being engaged at the point of attack, beating linemen with strength and leverage.
He came to the Chiefs and the first thing they did was move him to OLB, where he no longer had "his hand in the dirt". Again, let me change the descriptor - they asked him to PLAY IN SPACE. They were expecting him to play with more speed and changing the way he could use his leverage because he had to close space between him and the lineman.
You're confusing my criticism of HOW the Chiefs used him to rush the passer as an indictment of his ability TO rush the passer. I never said he couldn't rush the passer and you completely read something into my statements I did not say.
Is it clear now?
Lol Dude, I get it. I’m just explaining why I misunderstood your point. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Chris Meck:
Well, I like Simms a lot as a pundit.
That being said, it's funny; opinions on Spagnuolo's schemes are all over the place.
It's simple! It's too complicated! It's aggressive! It's bend, but don't break! Lots of man! lots of zone! He's too passive! He blitzes a lot!
It's literally who you talk to and which season you're talking about. That tells me that, to an extent, he's trying to do what he can with the talent at hand. That's an improvement over Sutton's rigidity at any rate. We'll see how that translates.
It can't be TOO complicated; if you look back, he starts first and second year players a fair amount of the time, so that's something. And people that have worked with and for him sing his praises as to communication with coaches and players. So, I remain somewhat optimistic that He can get this defense to middle of the pack quickly, in an ascending way, with a lot of young talent to develop. Middle of the pack in '19, upper third in '20.
then with the Mahomes contract, offense may have to give a little as Watkins type deals can't happen anymore, so defense ascending would be a good thing.
I saw some sideline videos of Spagnuolo and he looks animated and into it, compared to Sutton who stood there like a deer in the headlights. That's something too. [Reply]
Originally Posted by mcaj22:
You are saying all this with hindsight because the FA and rookie class turned out to be not good. You dont know that going into it with 100 percent certainty.
I am arguing the attempt. They didnt even make an attempt in the draft or offseason until Training Camp when they realized the shit sandwich they made.
They signed Amerson and then let about 6 months go by until they saw him in preseason and said wow this guy really stinks and we have no other options.
Oh so only you’re allowed to use hindsight in this discussion? This whole argument is based on it :-)
And they did make an attempt which I’ve already pointed out. They wanted Kyle Fuller and signed him to an offer sheet. They also continued looking for corners after signing Amerson hence Scanrdick and Ward. Why do you continue to ignore Ward?
Also, they had great depth at RB and you chalked it up to getting “bailed out”, so it’s pretty obvious you just like to fucking bitch and you’re full of shit. [Reply]
