Originally Posted by htismaqe:
Everybody says it's been Nagy the last two years because they need a throat to choke. The team just isn't as dominant as it once was on offense. Time moves on and things change. Nagy could sure be a part of it but there's so many possible variables involved it's impossible to really know.
When was the last time the Chiefs game planned for a team in the regular season where they absolutely dismantled someone like McVay did to Buffalo yesterday?
I can think of KC opening day against Baltimore seemed on point this year, at least the first half.
And 49ers two year ago. We almost never seem to have a game planning/schematic advantage in the regular season anymore on offense with one of the greatest offensive coaches in NFL history?
Originally Posted by MahomesMagic:
When was the last time the Chiefs game planned for a team in the regular season where they absolutely dismantled someone like McVay did to Buffalo yesterday?
I can think of KC opening day against Baltimore seemed on point this year, at least the first half.
And 49ers two year ago. We almost never seem to have a game planning/schematic advantage in the regular season anymore on offense with one of the greatest offensive coaches in NFL history?
Does not compute.
It all comes down to Pat. I'm one of those that feels the cake is the players and coaching is just the icing. I don't think play calling and all of that stuff are NEARLY as important as talent and execution. And let's face it, between the offensive line and the WRs, the last two years havent been exactly talent-filled and execution-rich. [Reply]
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
Everybody says it's been Nagy the last two years because they need a throat to choke. The team just isn't as dominant as it once was on offense. Time moves on and things change. Nagy could sure be a part of it but there's so many possible variables involved it's impossible to really know.
I blame him because for one, it's hard to ignore that the regression started exactly after he became OC. And two, it's not just one unit messing up. Every single unit on offense is broken to a certain extent. There is zero chemistry between the players. And despite the injuries, it's not a talent thing. We have enough talent that with the best QB in football, we should at the very least look decent. Maybe not the greatest show in the world like we have been in past years. But we have enough talent that we should never have a game where we only score 1 touchdown and have to rely on a 3rd string kicker being 4/4 on FGs to win.
It's like the offense doesn't even practice together at this point. On one play, the tackles break down. The next play the interior breaks down. The next play, Mahomes has good protection but seemingly can't find an open man. The next play, there are open players but Mahomes doesn't pull the trigger for some reason or makes a bad throw. The next play the running back is gaining only 2 yards and setting up a 3rd down and long. It's actually impressive how little cohesion there is on offense until the random drive where somehow they all pull together and play up to their potential. [Reply]
Originally Posted by MahomesMagic:
Indirectly, sure.
But Andy is just much older now and I think he is delegating more, especially during the regular season.
You can point to the decline in the offensive personnel which is fair. But I think Nagy is much more involved than people think and it started last year.
During the playoffs Andy takes the wheel more fully which is where you see brilliance and play designs that work, linked to other plays that function.
I also don't know how much we hide against certain opponents. The Buffalo game a few weeks ago in particular was strange as hell. It looked like we were trying to call any plays but the ones that would work well against them with a few exceptions.
No matter what Andy still has final say. If he doesn’t like the call Nagy makes he can overrule it. If he doesn’t you have to assume he is ok with it.
On the Beinemy vs Nagy topic. Beinemy did two very prominent things better.
1) The offense was much more disciplined…maybe because of fear, or relentlessness, or simply just hammering it over and over and over. The offense just seemed to operate more efficiently and effectively.
2) Beinemy wasn’t scared to push back on Reid when KC needed to run the damn ball. Reid will always fall in love with the pass…but it felt like KC ran the football when we really needed to do it. And I never felt that under Nagy or Pederson. [Reply]
Originally Posted by TRR:
On the Beinemy vs Nagy topic. Beinemy did two very prominent things better.
1) The offense was much more disciplined…maybe because of fear, or relentlessness, or simply just hammering it over and over and over. The offense just seemed to operate more efficiently and effectively.
2) Beinemy wasn’t scared to push back on Reid when KC needed to run the damn ball. Reid will always fall in love with the pass…but it felt like KC ran the football when we really needed to do it. And I never felt that under Nagy or Pederson.
