- Early career production - Dynamic threat downfield & after the catch - Elite speed & start-stop ability - Fluid mover w/ good route running chops - Ball tracking is A+
Not entirely sure why the vibe isn't higher when talking about him in the WR class. pic.twitter.com/dv3JjdyZgh
I'll write something fresh about Worthy tomorrow morning now that he's a Chief to lay out how he's more than speed, but for now here's an excerpt from article linked in the below tweet... https://t.co/EcW7QtUrFFpic.twitter.com/811ahCEfMS
Originally Posted by dlphg9:
Of course it's that returd BWillie that starts the Toney talk in this thread. Got any rebuttal to your dumb shit getting called out? You really can look at those dumb shit RAS numbers and come to the conclusion that Justin Watson is more athletic than Toney?
Since youre so off season performance doesn't mean anything I'd like you to name a time that a rookie was a standout in camp and the preseason and didn't significantly contribute to this team their rookie year. My memory is fuzzy from before Mahomes rookie year and he's the only one I can remember that was a standout in camp/preseason but didn't significantly contribute his rookie season.
What dumb shit? Watson has a superior RAS score. True. This time last year after training camp and preseason people said it was Toneys year! True. Last year we cut some scrub in Irmir-Marsette and you all were salivating over how great this WR corp would be. True. Absolutely hilarious. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
He's no less deserving than Skyy !@#$ing Moore, but by virtually all accounts that jackass is essentially a lock...
"He knows the entire playbook"
Well someone should ****ing TELL him that as he's meandering about the field with seemingly no concept of what sport is actually being played, let alone how to go about playing it.
Toney:
Faster 40 time
Faster 20 split
Same 10 split
Faster shuttle
Faster 3 cone
Way better broad
Half an inch lower vert
Watson is a better "athlete" because of height/weight/bench press. Unreal
It's the height and weight that really ruins RAS, and I guess the lack of position specificity. But having a composite measure of strength, speed and agility seems like it has SOME utility. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BWillie:
What dumb shit? Watson has a superior RAS score. True. This time last year after training camp and preseason people said it was Toneys year! True. Last year we cut some scrub in Irmir-Marsette and you all were salivating over how great this WR corp would be. True. Absolutely hilarious.
I know what the RAS score says, but what numbers on it other than the composite RAS would say that Watson is more athletic?
People were saying it was his year, but they didnt start saying it after the preseason. It was being said well before all that.
Nothing he did in TC or preseason contributed to that, because he got hurt the very first day of TC fielding a punt and missed the rest.
Training camp and preseason did the opposite of hype up people in regards for Toney because he did the one thing that most people thought would keep him from succeeding and that is getting hurt. We know now that he probably just doesn't give a shit about succeeding and a big reason people think that is because of TC and preseason.
He had a shitty season last year that got people questioning whether or not he has the desire to be a good player. Instead of coming into camp and showing that he got "hurt" again and had the same fuck ups.
Cut the shit. Sure, if you remove all context from your post, then you can try and say your right. However, your whole stupid argument from the beginning was that you can't learn anything from TC and pointless games, so you clearly meant that everyone was pining for Toney after his performances in TC and pre season, but you're too dumb to remember that he didn't even participate. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BWillie:
Mahomes faster than Toney in the Cone drill. Amazing specimen Kadarius Toney! So talented!
You're even wrong about that. They had the same time in the cone drill. 3 cone drill isn't all that good at showing who's the most athletic and it's not really important amongst WRs. Toney would have had tied with Odunze for the 4th fastest 3 cone amongst WR this year.
2023 - 3rd
2022 - 3rd
2020 - 2nd
2019 - tied for 5th
2018 - tied for 10th
Man, you keep looking like a bigger clown by the day. [Reply]
Originally Posted by dlphg9:
You're even wrong about that. They had the same time in the cone drill. 3 cone drill isn't all that good at showing who's the most athletic and it's not really important amongst WRs. Toney would have had tied with Odunze for the 4th fastest 3 cone amongst WR this year.
2023 - 3rd
2022 - 3rd
2020 - 2nd
2019 - tied for 5th
2018 - tied for 10th
Man, you keep looking like a bigger clown by the day.
Originally Posted by poolboy:
Rice and Brown are both gonna miss some games...hopefully its not at the same time
might have to go Worthy and Watson to start
lol no.
It is very unlikely that Rice is suspended this year now, and it's definitely not happening before his December court date. [Reply]