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Originally Posted by Fish:
We don't know. So you cannot really make claims about what there can or cannot be. Infinity is just as impossible to describe as a contained universe.
It's very dangerous to simply attribute things that cannot be presently explained as therefore being acts of God, as if they are forever unknowable. History has unequivocally proven that the more we learn more about the universe, the fewer unknowns there are to be attributed to God. The windows of unknowns have been shrinking considerably, especially in the last few centuries. But one thing has been certain, it's never went the other direction. We have an incredible ways to go in understanding for sure.
Science is not arrogant. It attempts to understand the unexplainable. It's driven by truth and accuracy. You don't have to be mainstream you just have to be proven.
Galileo was punished by the Church. He's a perfect example of making a scientific claim, which in today's times would sound as crazy as saying there's an end to the universe. The Church said he was arrogant for proclaiming to know more than what the Bible said. Turns out he was correct.
Please don't try and turn this into a science bashing battle again. This is the last I'm commenting on this.
I disagree, science IS arrogant, if you don't subscribe to the current theories (and that's just what they are , theories) then you're a kook, so called by many here against the legit scientists I posted about several pages back.
Other legit scientists with differing views, astronauts, air traffic controllers, Air Force, pilots and other military personnel... all either misguided or just plain stupid according to the "Galileo Era" scientists whom opposed them.
Point being, you seem to think that just one school of science has it all down pat, never even considering or even wanting to consider the opinions of other legit scientists... the same kind of stone wall Galileo ran into... disagree with your peers? well you're a heretic!
Originally Posted by alnorth:
well, except there is no God.
I cant prove there is one, but you sure as hell cant prove that there ISNT... so stop it, you generally seem like a decent guy, but don't flat out say "x doesn't exist", because you cant prove it doesn't exist any more than I can prove it does. [Reply]
Originally Posted by scott free:
I disagree, science IS arrogant
Bullcrap. This is the assertion of someone who doesn't know what the hell they are talking about, when describing science.
Science is, by its very nature, humble. They start out by presuming they do not know a damned thing about anything at all, and only build upon that empty base with things that can either be proven or which is supported by strong evidence. Anything at any time, even things that seem to be strongly supported, can be discarded if later knowledge shows that thing to not be correct.
This is in stark contrast to other things, including religion which starts out by arrogantly presuming their religion is correct, and all the other thousands of religions that primitive man has invented are all incorrect, based on no evidence whatsoever. Rational thought and questioning of dogma is severely discouraged, and in extreme cases, punished. [Reply]
Originally Posted by scott free:
I cant prove there is one, but you sure as hell cant prove that there ISNT... so stop it, you generally seem like a decent guy, but don't flat out say "x doesn't exist", because you cant prove it doesn't exist any more than I can prove it does.
Unicorns exist! You cant prove they dont so they DO! Hooray! (this is not science)
Damn you, again I say, this thread is about SCIENCE! [Reply]
Originally Posted by scott free:
I cant prove there is one, but you sure as hell cant prove that there ISNT... so stop it
"you cant prove there is no God", has always been a very stupid argument.
If there is a God, I assert that the one true God is the flying spaghetti monster, who blesses us all with his loving noodly appendage. You can't prove that I'm wrong, or that your ridiculous white european God is more valid than my made-up bullcrap, or native american Gods, or any other Gods. [Reply]
Originally Posted by scott free:
I disagree, science IS arrogant, if you don't subscribe to the current theories (and that's just what they are , theories) then you're a kook, so called by many here against the legit scientists I posted about several pages back.
Other legit scientists with differing views, astronauts, air traffic controllers, Air Force, pilots and other military personnel... all either misguided or just plain stupid according to the "Galileo Era" scientists whom opposed them.
Point being, you seem to think that just one school of science has it all down pat, never even considering or even wanting to consider the opinions of other legit scientists... the same kind of stone wall Galileo ran into... disagree with your peers? well you're a heretic!
I cant prove there is one, but you sure as hell cant prove that there ISNT... so stop it, you generally seem like a decent guy, but don't flat out say "x doesn't exist", because you cant prove it doesn't exist any more than I can prove it does.
LOL, seriously?
One of the steps in the scientific method is to revise your hypothesis as the evidence dictates. [Reply]
Originally Posted by alnorth:
Bullcrap. This is the assertion of someone who doesn't know what the hell they are talking about, when describing science.
Science is, by its very nature, humble. They start out by presuming they do not know a damned thing about anything at all, and only build upon that empty base with things that can either be proven or which is supported by strong evidence. Anything at any time, even things that seem to be strongly supported, can be discarded if later knowledge shows that thing to not be correct.
This is in stark contrast to other things, including religion which starts out by arrogantly presuming their religion is correct, and all the other thousands of religions that primitive man has invented are all incorrect, based on no evidence whatsoever. Rational thought and questioning of dogma is severely discouraged, and in extreme cases, punished.
All of "science" starts out humble, lol... shove that bullcrap back up your outhole.
Don't believe anything besides current understanding until the day you die, go ahead, its a tiresome argument trying to get human beings to understand that they do not have all of the answers to lifes mysteries... not even our smartest minds.
Originally Posted by scott free:
All of "science" starts out humble, lol... shove that bullcrap back up your outhole.
Don't believe anything besides current understanding until the day you die, go ahead, its a tiresome argument trying to get human beings to understand that they do not have all of the answers to lifes mysteries... not even our smartest minds.
Good night and God bless.
That's just.. not right. :/
You are saying you cant get humans to understand they dont have the answer to lifes mystery, at the same time while asserting that you have the answer.
This thread is about science. Not god damn fairy tales. Now gtfo. [Reply]
Originally Posted by scott free:
This thread is actually fun once I made a conscious effort to get past the scorn... pile it on, boys... knock yourselves out.
Glad you guys are so confident and smart, God bless.
At no point did I assert confidence or intelligence. I said the nature of science is to take us where the evidence points.
With all due respect, sir, it would seem like you came in here with an agenda despite any evidence to the contrary. [Reply]
Originally Posted by scott free:
All of "science" starts out humble, lol... shove that bullcrap back up your outhole.
Don't believe anything besides current understanding until the day you die, go ahead, its a tiresome argument trying to get human beings to understand that they do not have all of the answers to lifes mysteries... not even our smartest minds.
Good night and God bless.
People don't want too see it because we all seek our own understanding. [Reply]
Originally Posted by hometeam:
That's just.. not right. :/
You are saying you cant get humans to understand they dont have the answer to lifes mystery, at the same time while asserting that you have the answer.
This thread is about science. Not god damn fairy tales. Now gtfo.
Never once said I have every answer, just tired of hearing from people who think they do... go sell a car to some unsuspecting schmuck and stop telling me what to do. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Dick Bull:
At no point did I assert confidence or intelligence. I said the nature of science is to take us where the evidence points.
With all due respect, sir, it would seem like you came in here with an agenda despite any evidence to the contrary.
You would be wrong, Nels.
Only tired of everyone else' agenda, not presenting mine as the only one. [Reply]
Originally Posted by scott free:
Never once said I have every answer, just tired of hearing from people who think they do... go sell a car to some unsuspecting schmuck and stop telling me what to do.
I would rather sell a car to a suspecting schmuck. They are always your best customer. Because science. [Reply]
