Originally Posted by RunKC:
If he is Jawaan Taylor I’d take that every day of the fucking week. A Jawaan Taylor type talent would be an enormous upgrade over Wanya and Kingsley getting Mahomes killed and ruining games.
Jawaan is a solid level starter. Anyone who bitches at that after what we’ve seen are completely unrealistic.
You sure about that?
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Player Team Total Snaps PB Snaps Penalties Sacks Hits Pressures Pressure% Penalty% Negative Play%
Wanya Morris KC 732 454 11 5 7 35 7.71% 1.50% 6.28%
Cam Robinson MIN 999 632 13 7 7 52 8.23% 1.30% 6.51%
Originally Posted by Balto:
I've mentioned this as a stop gap player who if you look at what he did last season was top 5 tackle production.
He played 15 games last season and while I agree he is not a long term solution, his pass blocking skills is exactly what we need while Kingsley develops.
Terron Armstead, come on down
If the Fins fall in love with last years second rounder Patrick Paul, they would be willing partners on a deal [Reply]
Originally Posted by OKchiefs:
So how do we explain Clark Hunt being ranked near the bottom of all owners for the second year in a row on the NFLPA player survey? I don't expect him to be ranked top 5 or 10, I don't really think that matters at all. But when the Chiefs are ranked near the bottom several years in a row it's pretty damning. The next survey should probably be coming out in the next week or two, not going to look very good on Hunt's part if the players yet again show a poor opinion of him and his organization.
Most consider that a reflection of the practice facilities. As I just said, thats just political tactics. [Reply]
What incentive do the Dolphins have to help the Chiefs? Make an AFC opponent better while simultaneously subjecting their walking concussion for a QB to more hits with a young project? Hmm. They only gain 4.2m by getting rid of Armstead. They'll make way more cap bank just restructuring guys like Tua, Chubb, and Jackson. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Mecca:
His dead cap is 18 million dollars, not sure they're gonna do that with mush brain as their QB.
Originally Posted by kccrow:
What incentive do the Dolphins have to help the Chiefs? Make an AFC opponent better while simultaneously subjecting their walking concussion for a QB to more hits with a young project? Hmm. They only gain 4.2m by getting rid of Armstead. They'll make way more cap bank just restructuring guys like Tua, Chubb, and Jackson.
Maybe its a longshot, but its worth considering
Paul is a second rounder coming into his second year, stranger things have happened [Reply]
Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19:
It's why I can't fathom anyone thinking it's a good idea to roll the dice on Kingsley again.
I'm in no way certain it's a good idea, but it may still be the team's best option. As has been said ad nauseum, Suamataia has the physical profile and showed enough on film and/or practice that Andy was ready to roll with him his first game as a rookie.
I'm in no way an expert, but my understanding is that left tackles rarely thrive in their rookie seasons. If Andy thinks Kingsley has improved, why wouldn't he put him out there again? It's easily the best-case scenario, although a scenario that carries substantial risk. But what do you expect from a raw project picked at the end of the second round? Eric Fisher, the first pick of the draft, looked completely lost for two years. I don't see the team moving Kingsley to guard that quickly with those physical tools.
Unless Andy and Heck think Kingsley is a bust I'm not willing to give up the dream yet -- particularly with the appalling lack of other options. [Reply]
Player Team Total Snaps PB Snaps Penalties Sacks Hits Pressures Pressure% Penalty% Negative Play%
Wanya Morris KC 732 454 11 5 7 35 7.71% 1.50% 6.28%
Cam Robinson MIN 999 632 13 7 7 52 8.23% 1.30% 6.51%
Context matters here.
Wanya played the equivalent of 4 less games per snap disparity and was protected heavily for most of the season and I don’t believe Robinson was.
There’s a reason Mahomes ADOT has been terrible the last 2 years. There’s a reason Andy pivoted to a heavy run based offense for a good 6 weeks.
2.78 seconds time to throw average was the fastest of his career. They neutered this offense and threw quick passes at or behind the LOS bc they knew LT was an abomination and didn’t trust Wanya at all [Reply]
Originally Posted by OKchiefs:
So how do we explain Clark Hunt being ranked near the bottom of all owners for the second year in a row on the NFLPA player survey? I don't expect him to be ranked top 5 or 10, I don't really think that matters at all. But when the Chiefs are ranked near the bottom several years in a row it's pretty damning. The next survey should probably be coming out in the next week or two, not going to look very good on Hunt's part if the players yet again show a poor opinion of him and his organization.
Originally Posted by Wallymo:
I'm in no way certain it's a good idea, but it may still be the team's best option. As has been said ad nauseum, Suamataia has the physical profile and showed enough on film and/or practice that Andy was ready to roll with him his first game as a rookie.
I'm in no way an expert, but my understanding is that left tackles rarely thrive in their rookie seasons. If Andy thinks Kingsley has improved, why wouldn't he put him out there again? It's easily the best-case scenario, although a scenario that carries substantial risk. But what do you expect from a raw project picked at the end of the second round? Eric Fisher, the first pick of the draft, looked completely lost for two years. I don't see the team moving Kingsley to guard that quickly with those physical tools.
Unless Andy and Heck think Kingsley is a bust I'm not willing to give up the dream yet -- particularly with the appalling lack of other options.
It absolutely is a huge risk, but if that's the route they end up taking then so be it. But if they're wrong about this again and we see year 3 in a row where the offense is wrecked because of some combination of piss poor play at OL, WR, and/or RB since 2023 then some jobs need to be on the line. I realize the word "wrecked" might be hyperbole to some when they're still in the top half of the league but when you have Patrick Mahomes you shouldn't be anywhere close to the lowest ADOT in the league. The amount of disfunction we've seen on offense for the past 2 years simply cannot be allowed to continue for another season. [Reply]
Originally Posted by OKchiefs:
So how do we explain Clark Hunt being ranked near the bottom of all owners for the second year in a row on the NFLPA player survey? I don't expect him to be ranked top 5 or 10, I don't really think that matters at all. But when the Chiefs are ranked near the bottom several years in a row it's pretty damning. The next survey should probably be coming out in the next week or two, not going to look very good on Hunt's part if the players yet again show a poor opinion of him and his organization.
Some of the reasons Clark was ranked poorly per the survey…
-the Chiefs don’t have onsite daycare every day
-the plane they fly on has them sitting next to somebody on team flights
-they have to have a roommate the night before games in the hotel for away games instead of having their own room
-they don’t have a top flight 5 star cafeteria with every meal personalized for them
Those responses smell like a bunch of pussy assed bitches. 500k is the lowest salary these fucking players get paid :-) [Reply]
Wanya played the equivalent of 4 less games per snap disparity and was protected heavily for most of the season and I don’t believe Robinson was.
There’s a reason Mahomes ADOT has been terrible the last 2 years. There’s a reason Andy pivoted to a heavy run based offense for a good 6 weeks.
2.78 seconds time to throw average was the fastest of his career. They neutered this offense and threw quick passes at or behind the LOS bc they knew LT was an abomination and didn’t trust Wanya at all
Yes, most of us agree Wanya did, does, and will always suck as a LT. Cam Robinson sucking THAT bad is kind of a non starter. A pressure percentage above 8% is simply not acceptable. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch:
Yes, most of us agree Wanya did, does, and will always suck as a LT. Cam Robinson sucking THAT bad is kind of a non starter. A pressure percentage above 8% is simply not acceptable.
I was shocked when Jacksonville tagged Robinson in the first place. He's always been OK at best. I think the outlier was how he looked in MN, but the competition he faced was ass. He faced the Colts, Jags, Titans, Bears, Cards, Falcons, Bears, Seahawks. None of those teams made the playoffs.
He got blown up facing the Lions, and Rams. The only playoff team MN beat with Robinson as LT was the Packers. [Reply]
