I'm late to the party here but I really thought it would be a more competitive fight than it was. I said from the start I thought Bones was a bad dude but he ran through Shogun and I was shocked. [Reply]
Originally Posted by raybec 4:
I'm late to the party here but I really thought it would be a more competitive fight than it was. I said from the start I thought Bones was a bad dude but he ran through Shogun and I was shocked.
Shogun didn't look like himself. Part of it was Jones, but part of it was his conditioning. I know Shogun has never really been in GREAT physical shape, but he was way too soft & Jiggely for this fight.
He was sucking wind hard after the first round. He was slower than normal, he almost looked to be fighting timid.
Dont get me wrong, i was thoroughly impressed with Jones. I've been impressed with him ever since I first saw him fight. He's been my favorite fighter for awhile now.
But, that was not the Shogun we all know, either. [Reply]
Originally Posted by TheGuardian:
I don't disagree that Jones is about a bazillion more times talented than Lesnar, my point is let him face some adversity in the ring. If he wins like 9 fights in a row and is never in trouble, then that is in fact facing adversity in and of itself.
But the boy hasn't been tested through and through yet. AS I noted, someone will find a weakness and exploit it, and the true test of a champ is coming back from that.
GSP has a bit of a suspect chin.
Silva can't deal with with good wrestlers.
Lesnar couldn't take a punch without turning into worlds biggest pussay.
Chuck Liddell turned out to have a suspect chin as well (rampage found it first)
EVery fighter has a weakness. Jones is young and hasn't fought a ton. Lots of ability but like every fighter walking the planet, he has a weakness and someone will find it. Thats why I don't jump on these bangwagons. I wait to see if a guy can hack it after he's been through the grinder a bit.
you take yourself too seriously in this thread. There's nothing wrong with rooting for a guy and being a fan.
You seriously going to take the, "I'm not a fan because I haven't seen him get rocked" stance?
That's pretty lame. You are basically sitting here and discrediting what the kid has accomplished because he's not a vet rather than congratulating him for what he has done in such a short career.
You cant deny the fact that he has a tremendous reach and size and knows how to use it, has an epic ground game, capable of an array of submissions and is incredibly versatile.
That small list I just mentioned will keep him at the top of this sport for a long long time. You can't say that about too many fighters. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Detoxing:
Shogun didn't look like himself. Part of it was Jones, but part of it was his conditioning. I know Shogun has never really been in GREAT physical shape, but he was way too soft & Jiggely for this fight.
He was sucking wind hard after the first round. He was slower than normal, he almost looked to be fighting timid.
Dont get me wrong, i was thoroughly impressed with Jones. I've been impressed with him ever since I first saw him fight. He's been my favorite fighter for awhile now.
Originally Posted by Detoxing:
Shogun didn't look like himself. Part of it was Jones, but part of it was his conditioning. I know Shogun has never really been in GREAT physical shape, but he was way too soft & Jiggely for this fight.
He was sucking wind hard after the first round. He was slower than normal, he almost looked to be fighting timid.
Dont get me wrong, i was thoroughly impressed with Jones. I've been impressed with him ever since I first saw him fight. He's been my favorite fighter for awhile now.
But, that was not the Shogun we all know, either.
He didn't seem to have the same level of agression that we saw when he face stomped people in Pride or when he put Machida to sleep for sure. You can't really tell if it's going to be the Machida Shogun or the Forrest Shogun that will show up these days. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Detoxing:
you take yourself too seriously in this thread. There's nothing wrong with rooting for a guy and being a fan.
You seriously going to take the, "I'm not a fan because I haven't seen him get rocked" stance?
That's pretty lame. You are basically sitting here and discrediting what the kid has accomplished because he's not a vet rather than congratulating him for what he has done in such a short career.
You cant deny the fact that he has a tremendous reach and size and knows how to use it, has an epic ground game, capable of an array of submissions and is incredibly versatile.
That small list I just mentioned will keep him at the top of this sport for a long long time. You can't say that about too many fighters.
Do I appear to give a fuck what you think about my opinion?
Your opinion is that Jones is the real deal. Mine is that he needs to show he can survive some rough spots. You yourself said that Shogun didn't appear to be 100% and apparently now there is a video floating around from a week before the fight that shows he gassed just from some heavy bag work.
So Jones beat a marshmellowed out of shape Shogun, and we're supposed to worship at his alter. No thanks. Let him win some real battles and I'll give him more props. [Reply]
Originally Posted by TheGuardian:
Do I appear to give a **** what you think about my opinion?
Your opinion is that Jones is the real deal. Mine is that he needs to show he can survive some rough spots. You yourself said that Shogun didn't appear to be 100% and apparently now there is a video floating around from a week before the fight that shows he gassed just from some heavy bag work.
So Jones beat a marshmellowed out of shape Shogun, and we're supposed to worship at his alter. No thanks. Let him win some real battles and I'll give him more props.
Dude, the Jones win wasn't a fluke....you need to get over that. [Reply]
Originally Posted by CoMoChief:
Dude, the Jones win wasn't a fluke....you need to get over that.
i cant say it was a fluke but the people that have watched quite a bit more than you obviously think something might have been wrong with shogun sat. night [Reply]
Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO:
i cant say it was a fluke but the people that have watched quite a bit more than you obviously think something might have been wrong with shogun sat. night
He's starting to remind me a lot of a cross between BJ Penn and a box of chocolates. [Reply]
Originally Posted by raybec 4:
He's the one of the best 205ers going if he's on. He is easily gassed if he's off.
I've seen the 2 sides of Shogun. Jones just isn't the guy you want to face and not have your A game. If your off your game and Forrest finishes you then you have no shot against Jones in that situation. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Detoxing:
Shogun didn't look like himself. Part of it was Jones, but part of it was his conditioning. I know Shogun has never really been in GREAT physical shape, but he was way too soft & Jiggely for this fight.
He was sucking wind hard after the first round. He was slower than normal, he almost looked to be fighting timid.
Dont get me wrong, i was thoroughly impressed with Jones. I've been impressed with him ever since I first saw him fight. He's been my favorite fighter for awhile now.
But, that was not the Shogun we all know, either.
not trying to be a dick....but this was a title fight...and not being properly prepared is just too fuckin bad IMO. [Reply]
Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO:
i cant say it was a fluke but the people that have watched quite a bit more than you obviously think something might have been wrong with shogun sat. night
Yeah we've all seen better performances....but in a "fight" it's kinda silly to say something like "well that wasn't the REAL Shogun". It's a fight...and you better be up for a title fight against someone like him or you're gonna get your ass kicked, and that's what happened.