When Patrick Mahomes stunk this year, it was because he was getting antsy happy feet and dropping his eyes, running into the rush.
He got antsy because his LT sucked and got him drilled so often throughout the season, especially early on.
These are the facts, we don't like them, but there's zero denying it. It's why I can't fathom anyone thinking it's a good idea to roll the dice on Kingsley again. It'd be one thing if the poor tackle play was just causing a few plays to not come together. But it was impacting Mahomes for entire stretches of games. Who is to blame? Little bit of everyone.
But you can't not address that with some form of real proven solution and expect different results. [Reply]
Taylor gets excoriated pretty much every game 'round these parts.
I mean the good news is that if we do sign Robinson, it's probably gonna take a little heat off Jawaan at least. I expect it'll be Robinson that gets barbecued more often than not at that point.
I still can't help but laugh at the idea that folks thought Thuney was a possible answer long-term at LT. Man, there are a whole lot of dudes that see what they want to see on the OL...
Thuney provided some level of a floor for a few games this year. He actually did a noble job up until the SB when the Eagles had time to evaluate him and figure out his weaknesses. He wasn’t great, but he was providing Donovan Smith level consistency for awhile and we saw the results.
That’s why Cam Robinson is the best option. He can provide similar results. And guess what! The offense averaged 28 PPG in those games with Thuney before the SB.
Hell the offense looked like the offense we missed so much when they played in Pittsburgh. Deep shots, time to throw, Mahomes having fun. Hell we were having fun watching it.
People will bitch at anything here. Eric Fisher was rhetorical most hated player on this board for years until he wasn’t. Now they want Willie Goddamn Roaf.
There’s a decent level floor for Robinson, and he knows the offense. Just get it done. Veach will structure the contract to provide outs with minimal damage for protection. [Reply]
Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19:
When Patrick Mahomes stunk this year, it was because he was getting antsy happy feet and dropping his eyes, running into the rush.
He got antsy because his LT sucked and got him drilled so often throughout the season, especially early on.
These are the facts, we don't like them, but there's zero denying it. It's why I can't fathom anyone thinking it's a good idea to roll the dice on Kingsley again. It'd be one thing if the poor tackle play was just causing a few plays to not come together. But it was impacting Mahomes for entire stretches of games. Who is to blame? Little bit of everyone.
But you can't not address that with some form of real proven solution and expect different results.
Because they're gonna need to be able to spread around resources and you can't just pile it all into the OL. But if they do, fine.
Then we'll be on to "they need more weapons". [Reply]
Originally Posted by Mecca:
They were warming Kingsley up on the sideline to go in at LG and it never happened, Humpries never even got warm...as much as people don't wanna hear this, they likely asked Pat and he said no.
I hope Seth Keysor does a film review of Kingsley playing LG in Denver. I have NFL+ and watched him closely.
He was solid against Zack Allen. Thought he got a better than passing grade. Lost a couple of reps but for the most part held up against that guy really well, and Zack Allen is a top 5 interior rusher in this league.
I think that game cemented their thinking of Kingsley moving to G. He just looked more natural there. Way more comfortable. [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
Because they're gonna need to be able to spread around resources and you can't just pile it all into the OL. But if they do, fine.
Then we'll be on to "they need more weapons".
In terms of ROI, they're in as good of shape at WR right now than they've been in a long long time.
If there was a 2-3 year stretch to overspend on OL, it's now. Your top two WRs are making pennies for at least two more years. By the time either would be paid, Taylor is gone and Thuney might be too.
You could put money into your OL, sign a WR, draft a RB, maybe another pass catcher... where are the holes at that point for the next couple years? [Reply]
Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19:
In terms of ROI, they're in as good of shape at WR right now than they've been in a long long time.
If there was a 2-3 year stretch to overspend on OL, it's now. Your top two WRs are making pennies for at least two more years. By the time either would be paid, Taylor is gone and Thuney might be too.
You could put money into your OL, sign a WR, draft a RB, maybe another pass catcher... where are the holes at that point for the next couple years?
I'm good with it.
But you're probably gonna have some defensive atrophy so the offense is gonna have to pick up some slack here pretty soon. [Reply]
It's actually mind numbing to me how we are having this conversation, the Chiefs have multiple positions where guys make a fuck ton of money that they are paying virtually nothing so where is the money? [Reply]
Originally Posted by Mecca:
It's actually mind numbing to me how we are having this conversation, the Chiefs have multiple positions where guys make a fuck ton of money that they are paying virtually nothing so where is the money?
Is this your offseason thing? Just cry about Clark Hunt being cheap? You're doing it in two different threads simultaneously. [Reply]
Originally Posted by staylor26:
Is this your offseason thing? Just cry about Clark Hunt being cheap? You're doing it in two different threads simultaneously.
Irony here is we have a shit load of cap available for the future :-) [Reply]
Originally Posted by staylor26:
Is this your offseason thing? Just cry about Clark Hunt being cheap? You're doing it in two different threads simultaneously.
Typical commie.
Always happy to tell more successful people than them how to spend their money.
Now we see the violence inherent in the system, eh Komrades? [Reply]
Originally Posted by RunKC:
I hope Seth Keysor does a film review of Kingsley playing LG in Denver. I have NFL+ and watched him closely.
He was solid against Zack Allen. Thought he got a better than passing grade. Lost a couple of reps but for the most part held up against that guy really well, and Zack Allen is a top 5 interior rusher in this league.
I think that game cemented their thinking of Kingsley moving to G. He just looked more natural there. Way more comfortable.
Can we stop with the Kingsley to guard narrative. They gave Lucas fucking Niang like 6 years of attempting to be a tackle. Kingsley is not moving straight to guard. Lots of tackles look fine to good at guard because they get to work in a phone booth. This front office has proven they’re going to give their draft picks plenty of leash. A second round tackle with prototypical size, athleticism and arm length isn’t headed straight to guard after a handful of rough starts. [Reply]
Mecca is trying to convince people that Clark is a cheap bastard simply bc he won’t utilize having this teams entire financial strategy being all in on void years paying 60+million (25-30%) of your cap every year on players that don’t even play for you anymore as somehow being better than just paying the player their cap hit up front and having a way out with minimal dead cap.
