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Nzoner's Game Room>Rashee Rice [legal issues megathread]
DaFace 04:02 PM 04-10-2024
The other thread is a dumpster fire. I'm sure this will become one as well, but might as well start with a clean slate. I'll at least try to keep the OP updated with any notable news. Feel free to PM me if I miss anything good.

Arrest warrant and potential charges:
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Analysis from a defense attorney:
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Turned himself in and now out on bail:
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Random minutiae:
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DJ's left nut 08:49 AM 07-15-2024
Honestly, I feel like this can only help KC.

I mean whats the NFL going to do? They gonna drop the hammer on Rice while not doing it to Addison? Or Flowers for that matter? Or are they going to 'make an example' of 3 of the best young WRs to emerge from last years draft?

At the very least, they're gonna have to be consistent. I just can't see them flinging 5+ game suspensions all over the place here without massive pushback.
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chiefzilla1501 08:58 AM 07-15-2024
Yeah I mean Sutton's penalty has pretty much set the bar that the worst of the worst is gonna get you 8. I think rashee will get off light. I'm fine with that. I just hope he genuinely learns his lesson and hope he doesn't see this as "getting away with it." Take the penalty and put the actual work in to prove he's learning from this
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DJ's left nut 09:01 AM 07-15-2024
Originally Posted by Chris Meck:
I think the argument has always been that not every member of the Black Sox was in on the fix, and that Jackson almost certainly was not as he hit like.400 plus that series.

Other than that, I agree. The proliferation of endorsed sports betting at the level it is will be a problem sooner or later.
The problem with that argument is that Jackson's numbers in 'fixed' games vs games that weren't fixed, and in key spots vs in moments where the game was decided, was STARK.

Moreover, if you look at his grand jury testimony, he ADMITS he took part in the fix.

Originally Posted by :
Q: Did anybody pay you any money to help throw the series in favor of Cincinnatti?

A: They did.

Q: How much did they pay?

A: The promised me $20,000 and paid me five.

* * *

Q: Then you went ahead and threw the second game, thinking you would get it then, is that right?

A: We went ahead and threw the second game, we went after him again . . .
Now you can argue he changed his mind or that he wasn't fully sold on it. Or that he was half-hearted in his attempts. But Jackson took part in the fix. He was 0-6 with RISP over the first 5 games of the series (the ones known to be fixed) and didn't get an XBH with runners on base until game 8.

He absolutely took part in the fix. He deserved to be banned with all the rest of them. Even if they were the ringleaders or were more committed to the cause, the fact remains that Jackson clearly participated and it wasn't until AFTER the team decided to 'play it straight'. Jackson hit .250 with zero RBI's in the first 4 games (games the team knowingly agreed to fix) and in a 5th game he got an RBI when his squad was already losing 10-1. With runners on 1st and 2nd in game 3 (a fixed game) and nobody out while down 2-0, Jackson popped out on a bunt attempt. I mean...yikes.

When the players abandoned the fix, he hit .545 with 6 RBIs.

No - Jackson got what he deserved, IMO.
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BigRedChief 09:09 AM 07-15-2024
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
The problem with that argument is that Jackson's numbers in 'fixed' games vs games that weren't fixed, and in key spots vs in moments where the game was decided, was STARK.

Moreover, if you look at his grand jury testimony, he ADMITS he took part in the fix.



Now you can argue he changed his mind or that he wasn't fully sold on it. Or that he was half-hearted in his attempts. But Jackson took part in the fix. He was 0-6 with RISP over the first 5 games of the series (the ones known to be fixed) and didn't get an XBH with runners on base until game 8.

He absolutely took part in the fix. He deserved to be banned with all the rest of them. Even if they were the ringleaders or were more committed to the cause, the fact remains that Jackson clearly participated and it wasn't until AFTER the team decided to 'play it straight'. Jackson hit .250 with zero RBI's in the first 4 games (games the team knowingly agreed to fix) and in a 5th game he got an RBI when his squad was already losing 10-1. With runners on 1st and 2nd in game 3 (a fixed game) and nobody out while down 2-0, Jackson popped out on a bunt attempt. I mean...yikes.

When the players abandoned the fix, he hit .545 with 6 RBIs.

No - Jackson got what he deserved, IMO.
Yep, I did some research on this a decade or so ago. He took the money. Hit well below his average in the games that were agreed to be fixed. He was guilty.
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Sassy Squatch 09:16 AM 07-15-2024
Think it may go the other way personally, especially after a teammate just died in Addison's case. Sure, they'd look like fucking idiots after giving Sutton 8 games for essentially attempted murder but I'm sure the league is getting fucking sick and tired of these dipshits driving like maniacs and putting themselves and others at risk, especially after Ruggs. Could see a severe hammer drop.
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DJ's left nut 09:18 AM 07-15-2024
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
Yep, I did some research on this a decade or so ago. He took the money. Hit well below his average in the games that were agreed to be fixed. He was guilty.
I had to take an 'interdisciplinary studies' class as a graduation requirement in college and they had a sports literature class I took.

Obviously we read 8 Men Out and we had to write a paper on it. My paper was essentially exploring the "Shoeless Joe was Wrongfully Accused" angle because it was picking up steam at that time.

It wasn't much of a paper; no sort of hard-hitting novel or anything. Simple little 3 pager but I really was certain when it was done that he was in on the fix. And honestly, I'm not sure how anyone wouldn't be at this point.
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Kiimo 09:29 AM 07-15-2024
Yeah I'm not sure how DUIs turning into an epidemic is somehow good for Rice other than just always look on the bright side of life
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Otter 09:38 AM 07-15-2024
Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch:
I'm sure the league is getting ****ing sick and tired of these dipshits driving like maniacs and putting themselves and others at risk.
Put yourself at risk all you want but some person just trying to get from point A to point B in their life doesn't deserve to be the recipient of the stupidity one chooses to willingly partake.

It's not like there isn't uber, taxis, and friends and/or family a cell phone away.
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staylor26 09:41 AM 07-15-2024
Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch:
Think it may go the other way personally, especially after a teammate just died in Addison's case. Sure, they'd look like fucking idiots after giving Sutton 8 games for essentially attempted murder but I'm sure the league is getting fucking sick and tired of these dipshits driving like maniacs and putting themselves and others at risk, especially after Ruggs. Could see a severe hammer drop.
Dude, they aren't putting these guys in the same boat as domestic violence. Zero chance.
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Kiimo 09:41 AM 07-15-2024
I posted it in the Jordan Addison thread but him straight up asleep blocking a lane on the 105 and Sepulveda is bonkers to me.

Rice racing cars and then leaving is bad. This is incredibly worse.
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DJ's left nut 09:55 AM 07-15-2024
Originally Posted by Kiimo:
Yeah I'm not sure how DUIs turning into an epidemic is somehow good for Rice other than just always look on the bright side of life
It's akin to the Seahawks approach to holding back in the legion of zoom days...

"They ain't gonna flag 'em all..."

One dude has an issue and I could see them trying to bury him. 3 dudes have issues (and your dude isn't the worst of the lot) and they're going to have a pretty tough time singling your guy out and blasting him. Or blasting all of them.

It's the most bizarre strength in numbers example imaginable, but I think it does work.
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Katipan 09:59 AM 07-15-2024
The law turning what he did into all sorts of funny funny felonies is an emotional law. I don’t want you guys to be sad but you’re going to be sad.
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staylor26 10:00 AM 07-15-2024
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
It's akin to the Seahawks approach to holding back in the legion of zoom days...

"They ain't gonna flag 'em all..."

One dude has an issue and I could see them trying to bury him. 3 dudes have issues (and your dude isn't the worst of the lot) and they're going to have a pretty tough time singling your guy out and blasting him. Or blasting all of them.

It's the most bizarre strength in numbers example imaginable, but I think it does work.
I'd be more concerned if they didn't just give Sutton 8 games for something far worse. I think combining your point with that makes a lot of sense.
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Kiimo 10:00 AM 07-15-2024
I could say well the fact that Rice wasn't drunk is certainly a good thing.

But also it's not like he got a breathalyzer considering he left the scene.
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Otter 07-15-2024, 10:27 AM
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staylor26 10:30 AM 07-15-2024
Originally Posted by Otter:
Wait, so blocking traffic is worse than causing accidents that send people to the hospital for racing and then leaving the scene of the accident you caused? Backing up an entire artery highway in Texas?

Explain this to me please.

I'm hoping for the best for the Chiefs but I'm genuinely curious to the logic you're putting together with this conclusion.
Umm you either quoted the wrong person or you need to read my post again.
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