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DJ's left nut 09:14 AM Yesterday
https://open.substack.com/pub/mnchie...utm_medium=web

I don't typically re-post his stuff because I think you want to support guys trying to freelance like he does. But I think this contributes to conversation enough to be worthwhile.

Spoiler!



It's what many of us have been saying - those folks that are killing the OT play just aren't paying that much attention. Yes, it's been bad at times. No, it's not the primary problem for a great deal many of these games.

On Sunday the issues were overwhelmingly Trey Smith and Patrick Mahomes. The pass protection issues have extended well beyond the OT play. And Patrick Mahomes is the single biggest culprit to the misfiring offense (at least he was in Buffalo and that was just a continuation of what we've seen this season, IMO)
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BWillie 04:34 PM Today
Originally Posted by PHOG:
Mahomes, 4 of the last 5 SBs, winning 3. Allen=nah
If you switched Mahomes with Allen for their entire careers it's hard to argue the results would be MUCH different. I think we still get 2 just not 3.

They are both really really good and any time Allen lost to Mahomes in the postseason there really isn't anything else he could have done.
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TheGuardian 04:54 PM Today
Originally Posted by xztop123:
Wanya morris pff is 57.3 on the season.

So who cares “who was the main problem vs bills”.

84.1 pff grade is bigg enough gap from 57.3 to make it obvious that mahomes isn’t the problem this year.
So you think that Pat is playing well because he's last in every meaningful category of his career for this season compared to every other.
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KC_Connection 04:55 PM Today
Originally Posted by TheGuardian:
So you think that Pat is playing well because he's last in every meaningful category of his career for this season compared to every other.
Another lie.
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TheGuardian 05:01 PM Today
Originally Posted by KC_Connection:
Another lie.
yards per game lowest
passing rating lowest
TD to INT ration worse in his career

What are you hanging your hat on, his completion percentage?

Well that's great because his yards per pass is tied for his lowest.
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KC_Connection 05:04 PM Today
Originally Posted by TheGuardian:
yards per game lowest
passing rating lowest
TD to INT ration worse in his career

What are you hanging your hat on, his completion percentage?

Well that's great because his yards per pass is tied for his lowest.
Mahomes’ QBR is not even close to his worst season in his career. That would be 2021 with 2023 and 2024 following shortly after that.

But you knew that.
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Megatron96 05:10 PM Today
Originally Posted by KC_Connection:
Another lie.


Uh, better check again, because he's right.
https://www.pro-football-reference.c...M/MahoPa00.htm


Also, Mahomes' passing stats this season vs. all other starters puts him in the bottom third of the league:
https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/pla.../qb-rating-nfl


And today I heard on the radio that Mahomes is dead last in explosive/chunk passing plays, or something to that effect. And through 11 weeks he's successfully hit less than half the number of explosive/chunk plays he hit last season.


It's not good.
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MahomesMagic 05:16 PM Today

Adjusted Quarterback Efficiency (AQE) through Week 11 @Unexpected_Pts

- Kyler Murray the new per-play leader
- Lamar Jackson falls, but still leads significantly in total adjusted EPA
- Sam Darnold with a massive adjustment up, Jared Goff in the other direction pic.twitter.com/sU98aqEOdb

— Kevin Cole (@KevinCole___) November 20, 2024

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KC_Connection 05:21 PM Today
Originally Posted by Megatron96:
Uh, better check again, because he's right.
https://www.pro-football-reference.c...M/MahoPa00.htm


Also, Mahomes' passing stats this season vs. all other starters puts him in the bottom third of the league:
https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/pla.../qb-rating-nfl


And today I heard on the radio that Mahomes is dead last in explosive/chunk passing plays, or something to that effect. And through 11 weeks he's successfully hit less than half the number of explosive/chunk plays he hit last season.


It's not good.
Looks like you may want to look up Mahomes’ 2021 QBR too.

There is nothing unusual about his regular season performance not being MVP level at this point.
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KC_Connection 05:22 PM Today
Originally Posted by MahomesMagic:
Maybe we should trade Mahomes for Sam Darnold, at least we’d be getting the better regular season QB
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TheGuardian 05:28 PM Today
Originally Posted by Megatron96:
Uh, better check again, because he's right.
https://www.pro-football-reference.c...M/MahoPa00.htm


Also, Mahomes' passing stats this season vs. all other starters puts him in the bottom third of the league:
https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/pla.../qb-rating-nfl


And today I heard on the radio that Mahomes is dead last in explosive/chunk passing plays, or something to that effect. And through 11 weeks he's successfully hit less than half the number of explosive/chunk plays he hit last season.


It's not good.
He's last in the league in passes of 20+ yards or more. LAST.

Dude up there literally has on rose colored glasses.
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KC_Connection 05:29 PM Today
Originally Posted by TheGuardian:
He's last in the league in passes of 20+ yards or more. LAST.

Dude up there literally has on rose colored glasses.
Yeah, that has nothing to do with the playcalling or how this team is defended. None at all.
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TheGuardian 05:30 PM Today
Originally Posted by KC_Connection:
Yeah, that has nothing to do with the playcalling or how this team is defended. None at all.
You're right there's not a whole other thread pointing out how he can't hit the broad side of a barn with a bass fiddle on his deep throws.
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KC_Connection 05:32 PM Today
Originally Posted by TheGuardian:
You're right there's not a whole other thread pointing out how he can't hit the broad side of a barn with a bass fiddle on his deep throws.
Patrick Mahomes: 78.1 QBR (2020), 67.1 QBR (2021), 79.0 QBR (2022), 63.9 QBR (2023), 67.0 QBR (2024)

His worst season ever you said. Except it’s on par with 2021 and better than last year.
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-King- 05:35 PM Today
Originally Posted by TheGuardian:
You're right there's not a whole other thread pointing out how he can't hit the broad side of a barn with a bass fiddle on his deep throws.
Don't bother. He picks one pet statistic and just repeats it post after post and ignores literally everything else. It's really not worth clogging up threads to go back and forth with him.
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Megatron96 05:35 PM Today
Originally Posted by KC_Connection:
Looks like you may want to look up Mahomes’ 2021 QBR too.

There is nothing unusual about his regular season performance not being MVP level at this point.


Bud, this is his worst QBR as a starter (not counting 2017) with the exception of the 2021 season. And starting with Succ%, just run straight across those stats; he's either worst of his career, or 2nd to worst in every statistical category.

Succ%-2nd to worst,
Lng (which I could care less)-worst
Y/A-tied worst
AY/A-WORST
Y/C-worst
Y/G-worst
Passer Rate-worst
QBR-2nd worst
NY/A-WORST
ANY/A-worst

And, he's on pace to get sacked more this season than in any other season of his career. Also his %/games with an INT makes him 39th @80%.

His overall play is a problem. And it's not just one thing. He needs to get his shit back together over the next few weeks.
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