Originally Posted by Buehler445:
I don't hate Vrabel for a young QB. He took a QB that Adam Gase thoroughly destroyed (not unlike what Flores was doing to Tua), and revived his career.
That doesn't necessarily indicate he'd be good for a young developing QB, but it's better than Flores' record. The whole Tua starts and hands it off until the game gets close then we're bringing in Fitzpatrick was criminal. Should have ended his career.
Fair, but there's no way I'm hiring a defensive coach if I have Caleb. The key to the whole franchise is that guy taking a massive leap forward. You are loaded with offensive playmakers. Whether you make the playoffs or not, offense needs to be the strength of that team for the next few years if they are going to become something.
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501:
That’s a little disingenuous though. It leaves out that they also got guys like dj moore and Montez sweat on the cheap and added draft capital like Rome odunze and Caleb Williams (no matter what you may think of him, it was the consensus pick ). And they’ve done a really good job with the draft. This is a really good team minus the coach if they can ever get Caleb Williams to play to his potential.
And it looks more and more like he doesn’t have much pull on the coach. The McCaskeys are good ole boy network guys who trust dinosaur advisors like polian and acorsi more than the GM. In this case it’s trace Armstrong who represents both eberflus and Shane Waldron. And eberflus stayed on because the mccaskeys were too cheap to buy out his contract. It sounded like poles had to scream up and down to get rid of eberflus and Waldron even when the decision was obvious. In this case the majority of the blame has to do with shitty ownership
Agreed. Poles has made some good decisions.
That X post is a lot of bit sideways.
In dumping Roquan Smith, they were able to draft DT Gervon Dexter. Signing Tremaine Edmunds was solid. He's a good LB with above-average cover skills. He's not Roquan, but he's not shit. I'd argue Dexter+Edmunds is far greater than just Roquan.
Trading out of that 1/1 slot in 2023 got them WR DJ Moore, RT Darnell Wright, Caleb, and the 2023 2nd they used to move up in the 2nd to snag CB Tyrique Stevenson (who was all-world as a rookie and is being a dipshit this year). They also still get another 2nd in 2025 from this. Plus he adds Odunze...
Poles isn't the problem. He's working it in the right direction. He needs a HC to help take it the rest of the way.
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Originally Posted by htismaqe:
Vrabel is a Patriot Way meat head. He sucks by definition.
I am the first guy to say Fuck all things Brotherfucking Cheatriot Fuckbag. But at least Vrabel had some success and isn't puking up Belicheat cliches and expecting it to work.
I'm far from Stanning for him, but Vrabel is better than a bunch of these other asshats that seem to get jobs every year.
Originally Posted by wazu:
Fair, but there's no way I'm hiring a defensive coach if I have Caleb. The key to the whole franchise is that guy taking a massive leap forward. You are loaded with offensive playmakers. Whether you make the playoffs or not, offense needs to be the strength of that team for the next few years if they are going to become something.
100% agree. No clue why anyone would even put a defensive guy on the list. I
think they're looking at the team and thinking they need some discipline and to get tougher. But a mature, established offensive guy can bring accountability and professionalism if they're, you know, accountable and professional. See Reid, Andy ca. 2013.
That being said, Flores is quite another level of fuctarded than Vrabel. Flores's treatment of Tua, who, while not as talented as Caleb was a similar level draftee and appears to be a more mature human than Caleb, is on record and honestly, the most ridiculous criminally bad management of a young QB. And I lived through the Squirmin Herman Motherfucking Sack of Cunt Edwards. That's quite a different level from Vrabel who at least didn't get in the way of Tannehill's resurrection.
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