Originally Posted by Bowser:
That's my initial reaction, that this is going to be an attempt at the Bene Gesserit tour de force miniseries with girlboss shit cranked up to 11.
I am a Mark Strong fan, so I'm curious about it, a little bit.
I dumped HBO or Max or whatever it's called now a long time ago, and I certainly won't add another paid subscription for this bullshit. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Bowser:
That's my initial reaction, that this is going to be an attempt at the Bene Gesserit tour de force miniseries with girlboss shit cranked up to 11.
I am a Mark Strong fan, so I'm curious about it, a little bit.
It's gonna be Sisterhood of Dune.
Which is a Brian Herbert/Kevin Anderson book and those are pretty much all terrible.
So it's gonna be bad. I mean even the sequel books those guys did were bad. The Prequels worse.
After watching every penguin episode within an hour of dropping.. I lost interest within 30 minutes and went to bed. It was late, and I’ll give it another shot today. But I’m keeping my expectations low [Reply]
Originally Posted by Frazod:
Yeah, if only I had precisely outlined all the reasons why this movie sucks woke microdick in this very thread. Oh wait.... :-)
Originally Posted by BWillie:
What is so woke about Dune? Its a movie series about a book written sixty years ago
Having Chani go full Girlboss fundamentally alters the entire Dune universe and making Paul your typical toxic male warmonger fully buries it.
Dune 1 didn't do any of that. It really did a nice job as a faithful adaptation. But Dune 2 split Paul's internal torment out of the character altogether, put it in Chani and really screwed the whole dynamic up. Especially when, again, the she ditches with his arranged marriage to Irulan (which would've been COMPLETELY acceptable to the Fremen).
It's not hard to see the issues if you're at all familiar with the Dune universe.
Now the answer could be a simple one - inner monologue is difficult if not impossible to translate to a movie from a book. I get that - I could even accept it. But why not put that in Gurney, someone who was always a mentor to Paul and could've provided that foil significantly better. Villeneuve, in a quest for a relatable audience proxy, picked the wrong one.
This idea that a Fremen female, from a deeply religious warrior clan, would simply turn full GirlBoss and hate war or rebel against a political marriage is just silly. And unnecessary. Then again, they gender swapped Liet Kynes as well for some strange reason and suddenly Chani's tie to Liet (and the Fremen ethos writ large) was tenuous and bizarre at best.
Villeneuve wrote Dune 2 for a 'modern' audience and in so doing, undermined the story. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Having Chani go full Girlboss fundamentally alters the entire Dune universe and making Paul your typical toxic male warmonger fully buries it.
Dune 1 didn't do any of that. It really did a nice job as a faithful adaptation. But to Dune 2 split Paul's internal torment out of the character altogether, put it in Chani and really screwed the whole dynamic up. Especially when, again, the she ditches with his arranged marriage to Irulan (which would've been COMPLETELY acceptable to the Fremen).
It's not hard to see the issues if you're at all familiar with the Dune universe.
Now the answer could be a simple one - inner monologue is difficult if not impossible to translate to a movie from a book. I get that - I could even accept it. But why not put that in Gurney, someone who was always a mentor to Paul and could've provided that foil significantly better. Villeneuve, in a quest for a relatable audience proxy, picked the wrong one.
This idea that a Fremen female, from a deeply religious warrior clan, would simply turn full GirlBoss and hate war or rebel against a political marriage is just silly. And unnecessary. Then again, they gender swapped Liet Kynes as well for some strange reason and suddenly Chani's tie to Liet (and the Fremen ethos writ large) was tenuous and bizarre at best.
Villeneuve wrote Dune 2 for a 'modern' audience and in so doing, undermined the story.
The biggest sin was making it two movies and totally skipping the middle of the book, which included some of the very best parts. Should have been a trilogy. [Reply]
Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider:
The biggest sin was making it two movies and totally skipping the middle of the book, which included some of the very best parts. Should have been a trilogy.
Expound.
It's been a bit since I read Dune - I don't recall them taking much of the story out. Maybe the bit where they eventually locate Gurney? I dunno, if that's it, it always felt largely tangential to the story as a whole.
They could've provided more of Yueh's story but really, I don't feel like there was any real need to make him as sympathetic a character as he appeared to be in the books.
I didn't feel like there was much missing that was critical to taking the story forward. They cut a few corners and fast forwarded a bit w/r/t Paul and Jessica being accepted into the Fremen culture. That would've just really hurt the pacing of the movies, though.
I think the biggest loss was no real discussion of the smugglers out in the desert and finding Gurney, but there's a lot to have fit into these movies - it's an excusable omission, IMO. [Reply]