Dolphins WR Tyreek Hill was detained by police today entering the stadium for a driving violation, per his agent Drew Rosenhaus. But Rosenhaus said Hill will play today.
Report: Officer who detained Tyreek Hill has been suspended six times
In the days following his detainment by Miami-Dade police before the Week 1 game against the Jaguars, Dolphins receiver Tyreek Hill has tried to balance a desire for conciliation with a call for accountability. He has said, in no uncertain terms, that he wants the officer who escalated the situation to be fired.
A new report potentially strengthens Hill's case.
Via Andy Slater of Fox Sports 640, the officer who was placed on administrative duties following the incident has been suspended six times during his career. Danny Torres, a 27-year veteran of the department, has been suspended for as long as 20 days.
That history could become highly relevant to the internal procedures that will determine the proper disciplinary outcome. He will have rights to contest any discipline, and the appropriate apparatus will resolve any disagreements as to the proposed outcome.
The report posted by Slater suggests that Torres has not been suspended since 2019. A five-year gap between incidents triggering a potentially severe outcome could aid his cause.
Ultimately, the decision will be based on the standards developed and employed as a broader course of practice within the Miami-Dade Police Department. Obviously, however, the officer's history of suspensions won't make the situation any better for him. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Red Dawg:
I will take the cops all day. Hill is a shit bag.
Yeah, but you know, the cop clearly has a problem. 5 years between incidents? WTF is that? If a pilot had 5 years between plane crashes, would that make him good to go? If an engineer had 5 years between collapsing bridges, would that make him good to go?
There is definitely blame to be shared in this incident, but that cop was WAY over the line. Tyreek should pay a price for his inappropriate behavior in this incident, but that one cop demonstrated a total lack of respect for the law. Fuck him. [Reply]
Originally Posted by scho63:
All those cops should be fired
I had a young man who worked for me when he was a Junior/Senior. He was absolutely one of the finest people I have known in my life.
He went on to get a degree in Criminology, became a police officer, and is now a homicide detective in a big city.
I believe him to still be a very good decent person.
And I have no doubt that he stood by, silent, as other officers treated someone too roughly, or as they violated someone's rights. In the current state of policing, it's very likely that to get anywhere career wise, silence is necessary.
People can say that I am generalizing unfairly, but I say grow up, and stop being naive. Good police officers standing up to bad apples is television fiction. [Reply]
This is kinda interesting. I mean, of course this dude is a defense attorney, but you can see how he would lay out his defense of Hill here and it's pretty comprehensive.
Hill being a dick does not give the cop the right to do what they wound up doing. IMO, the cops were pissed that he was being a dick. When he rolled up his window, he may or may not have realized that he was escalating unnecessarily. To him, he might have been thinking "OK, I gave them my license, now I'm rolling up the window to avoid all the looky-loo's from taking my picture etc. And I'm gonna call my agent" but to the cop, he was being a belligerent entitled rich asshole, and needed to be taught a lesson.
At the end of the day, the more I look into this, the more I'm on Reek's side. The cops went way too far. Hill broke the law by speeding. To enforce said law, the cops pull him over, get his license, and write him a ticket. None of what Hill said or did prevented them from doing that. BUT...Hill was being a dick. The officer did not like that. The officer got pissed, and away we go.
Could Hill have handled it better? Hell yes. Could the officer(s) handled it better, and should they be expected to do so? Double hell yes.
Cops have a tough job to say the least. Unfortunately, their life experience cannot factor in with every stop they make. They have to have the ability to treat each stop as a completely new, separate and distinct event. But, that's not how humans are, and cops are human. This is why we have laws and conduct guidelines that apply to cops. They are set apart. They have a lot of power over us. They must wield such power responsibly. In this incident, I don't think they did the right thing. [Reply]
Originally Posted by InChiefsHeaven:
This is kinda interesting. I mean, of course this dude is a defense attorney, but you can see how he would lay out his defense of Hill here and it's pretty comprehensive.
Hill being a dick does not give the cop the right to do what they wound up doing. IMO, the cops were pissed that he was being a dick. When he rolled up his window, he may or may not have realized that he was escalating unnecessarily. To him, he might have been thinking "OK, I gave them my license, now I'm rolling up the window to avoid all the looky-loo's from taking my picture etc. And I'm gonna call my agent" but to the cop, he was being a belligerent entitled rich asshole, and needed to be taught a lesson.
At the end of the day, the more I look into this, the more I'm on Reek's side. The cops went way too far. Hill broke the law by speeding. To enforce said law, the cops pull him over, get his license, and write him a ticket. None of what Hill said or did prevented them from doing that. BUT...Hill was being a dick. The officer did not like that. The officer got pissed, and away we go.
Could Hill have handled it better? Hell yes. Could the officer(s) handled it better, and should they be expected to do so? Double hell yes.
Cops have a tough job to say the least. Unfortunately, their life experience cannot factor in with every stop they make. They have to have the ability to treat each stop as a completely new, separate and distinct event. But, that's not how humans are, and cops are human. This is why we have laws and conduct guidelines that apply to cops. They are set apart. They have a lot of power over us. They must wield such power responsibly. In this incident, I don't think they did the right thing.
The legal eagle dude has a lot of facts wrong, and makes some unreasonable claims. He does point out that they can drag him from the car though. The police here didn't do anything illegal, however Tyreek Hill did. [Reply]
Report: Officer who detained Tyreek Hill has been suspended six times
In the days following his detainment by Miami-Dade police before the Week 1 game against the Jaguars, Dolphins receiver Tyreek Hill has tried to balance a desire for conciliation with a call for accountability. He has said, in no uncertain terms, that he wants the officer who escalated the situation to be fired.
A new report potentially strengthens Hill's case.
Via Andy Slater of Fox Sports 640, the officer who was placed on administrative duties following the incident has been suspended six times during his career. Danny Torres, a 27-year veteran of the department, has been suspended for as long as 20 days.
That history could become highly relevant to the internal procedures that will determine the proper disciplinary outcome. He will have rights to contest any discipline, and the appropriate apparatus will resolve any disagreements as to the proposed outcome.
The report posted by Slater suggests that Torres has not been suspended since 2019. A five-year gap between incidents triggering a potentially severe outcome could aid his cause.
Ultimately, the decision will be based on the standards developed and employed as a broader course of practice within the Miami-Dade Police Department. Obviously, however, the officer's history of suspensions won't make the situation any better for him.
It's all irrelevant. History is likely way too old to impact any potential discipline. Plus, some agencies lead with paper, which could also be that situation. I haven't seen anything regarding the reason for the write-ups or suspensions, either. The only thing that matters is whether he broke policy or law, and I don't think he did, especially given the circumstances.
Rergardless, He had full legal right to go hands-on and physically remove him from the car. Period.
You can mondy morning QB any action we take in life and acknowledge we could have done or said something better. Could he have been a little more patient? Yes, but maybe he felt like heavily tinted windows, a verbally combative subject refusing orders, a busy street, etc., didn't give him that option. That is reasonable to me, and under the objectively reasonable standard set in Graham vs. Connor, I think the courts would rule the same if it were ever charged, and it hasn't been. [Reply]
I had 48 points on my drivers license in NJ and was suspended at least 12 times.
I was a jerkoff, obnoxious kid with a lot of money and a brand new 1984 Cadillac Eldorado and then a brand new 1986 Jaguar XJ6.
I acted like an ass and deserved all the tickets I got and had many warnings too.
I once raced a Lambo on the Atlantic City Expressway from Philly after a Pirates/Phillies game doing over 110 mph and got stopped at a toll booth from a trooper that called ahead. She jammed her flashlight in my chest and was pissed but just gave me a ticket and yelled at me and my buddies in my car.
I also rolled up my window, started my car and revved the engine of my Jaguar as a cop in Seaside Heights wrote a an illegal parking ticket in front of a club I was drinking in. I always left my car illegally parked in front of the clubs.
In all my years of being a young, insufferable douche I WAS NEVER YANKED OUT OF MY CAR OR CUFFED OR MAN HANDLED.
The cops hated me because they couldn't believe the car was mine.
You can't treat people like that for simple speeding, no matter how much lip Tyreek gave them. [Reply]
Originally Posted by scho63:
The cops came in hot and ready to escalate.
I had 48 points on my drivers license in NJ and was suspended at least 12 times.
I was a jerkoff, obnoxious kid with a lot of money and a brand new 1984 Cadillac Eldorado and then a brand new 1986 Jaguar XJ6.
I acted like an ass and deserved all the tickets I got and had many warnings too.
I once raced a Lambo on the Atlantic City Expressway from Philly after a Pirates/Phillies game doing over 110 mph and got stopped at a toll booth from a trooper that called ahead. She jammed her flashlight in my chest and was pissed but just gave me a ticket and yelled at me and my buddies in my car.
I also rolled up my window, started my car and revved the engine of my Jaguar as a cop in Seaside Heights wrote a an illegal parking ticket in front of a club I was drinking in. I always left my car illegally parked in front of the clubs.
In all my years of being a young, insufferable douche I WAS NEVER YANKED OUT OF MY CAR OR CUFFED OR MAN HANDLED.
The cops hated me because they couldn't believe the car was mine.
You can't treat people like that for simple speeding, no matter how much lip Tyreek gave them.
There is a difference between being an "insufferable douche" and refusing to comply with lawful orders. The latter would guarantee a physical assist to comply with that order; the former would ensure you get every citation possible for the infraction. [Reply]