Originally Posted by Chargem:
Interesting post, I agree and I don't.
I do agree with you that strength is a better goal for most than mass/physique, but then I actually really respect Jeff Nippard, he is a bodybuilder but he also values strength etc infinitely more than the average youtube fitness bodybuilder type, he has strength specific programs and has been a powerlifter.
I also don't find the 30lbs of muscle claim that crazy, and he probably did most of that with strength training rather than bodybuilding. It may also be worth noting that both of Jeff's parents were competitive bodybuilders so its actually more his access to knowledge that gave him a headstart over the average gym newbie.
I got into the gym initially via discovering Starting Strength and 5x5, and people add a ridiculous amount of muscle in the first year or so with those programs all the time. Those that don't, assuming they actually follow the workout plan, either they start overweight and have no idea the ratio of fat loss to muscle gain when they succeed, or those who start out skinny generally don't eat enough to max out their potential gains and hit the kind of gains Jeff did.
Mass comes from hypertrophy training (bodybuilding) not from strength training. This is why the first block in a powerlifting or strongman program is a lot of hypertrohpy. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Chargem:
Interesting post, I agree and I don't.
I do agree with you that strength is a better goal for most than mass/physique, but then I actually really respect Jeff Nippard, he is a bodybuilder but he also values strength etc infinitely more than the average youtube fitness bodybuilder type, he has strength specific programs and has been a powerlifter.
I also don't find the 30lbs of muscle claim that crazy, and he probably did most of that with strength training rather than bodybuilding. It may also be worth noting that both of Jeff's parents were competitive bodybuilders so its actually more his access to knowledge that gave him a headstart over the average gym newbie.
I got into the gym initially via discovering Starting Strength and 5x5, and people add a ridiculous amount of muscle in the first year or so with those programs all the time. Those that don't, assuming they actually follow the workout plan, either they start overweight and have no idea the ratio of fat loss to muscle gain when they succeed, or those who start out skinny generally don't eat enough to max out their potential gains and hit the kind of gains Jeff did.
Yes I did 5x5 training back when I weight trained. Would highly recommend for a hard gainer. It was the absolute best for me at putting on mass. Hypertrophy training did not work for me. But I acknowledge I must be a special case because most of the guys I knew trained like that were able to get quite big but when I did it I saw no mass gains. Lifting heavy with 5x5 with core work was everything for me to progress. [Reply]
So just found out about zone 2 training recently. Really did not understand how easy I had to run. Started running End of May and until the end of August was only running 2 to 5 mpw but at all zone 4 and 5 intensity...like an idiot. Now running 10 mpw in zone 2 since Sept 1 and shaved my 5k time down to 28 minutes. Still bad but seem to be progressing at that distance now that I understand how to train.
Been tracking my heart rate only for 5 weeks now and weird thing is my max HR has increased from 180 to 191 and I haven't even been pushing myself in the hard runs near as much as I used to. Then my avg HR in easy long runs has also been increasing and my easy run pace hasn't improved....yet my 5k time very much improved.
Originally Posted by penguinz:
Mass comes from hypertrophy training (bodybuilding) not from strength training. This is why the first block in a powerlifting or strongman program is a lot of hypertrohpy.
I'm talking about untrained novices. You can put on insane mass the first ~year of training no matter what you do in the gym and generally strength training is more efficient than body building for beginners. [Reply]